[hamdani yusuf]

It looks like your idea is wrong.
What context is there where that extra 1Kg is part of the body (so it weighs less than 1Kg) , but not part of the body (so it weighs 1Kg)?

It's not my idea.
It's an implication of OP's idea which can be easily tested, so he can get a first hand experience.

[Bored chemist]

It looks like your idea is wrong.
What context is there where that extra 1Kg is part of the body (so it weighs less than 1Kg) , but not part of the body (so it weighs 1Kg)?

It's not my idea.
It's an implication of OP's idea which can be easily tested, so he can get a first hand experience.

Sorry, I messed up the quote.
It's the OP who is hopelessly wrong.
Your point about adding a kilo of water pretty neatly proves that.

[Yahya A.Sharif (OP)]

This is an important new discovery.
This forum belongs to the university of Cambridge I guess.
Why The university of Cambridge ignores my new discovery?
Why at least exerting tiny effort to do my experiments?

[Eternal Student]

Hi.

Firstly, I'm not staff or involved with this website in any official capacity.   This is just my opinion and limited experience of the site.

   This is printed on the front page of the website:

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    More generally, the site is just loosely supported by Cambridge University but it is not part of the main function of the University.
    Most of the moderators are volunteers and may not have any involvement with the University at all.
    So, you are simply not speaking to or presenting your "new theories" to Cambridge University but just to a collection of users who are from the general public.

    It is very difficult to present a new idea or new discovery to the professional community of scientists.  The main way would be to try and get an article published in a recognized journal.  This has been discussed elsewhere in the forum but overall it is just very difficult for a member of the general public to do this.   The most common way to get a new idea to the attention of the scientific community would involve doing something like registering for a research degree with an already recognized institution and presenting your ideas through that institution.

   Depending on how you look on this, it's good and bad news.   The good news is that there are some people here (not every user perhaps but some of them) who do have some expertise and are giving up their time to discuss issues and engage with the general public.   The bad news is ... well... you can fill that in for yourself.

Best Wishes.

[Bored chemist]

Why The university of Cambridge ignore my new discovery?

You have not made a discovery.

[alancalverd]

Happy to consider promoting your discovery. What have you discovered that was previously unknown to science?   

[Kryptid]

Why at least exerting tiny effort to do my experiments?

Would you accept the results if the experiment proved you wrong?

[Yahya A.Sharif (OP)]

Happy to consider promoting your discovery. What have you discovered that was previously unknown to science?   

Thanks
1) I observed that a human when lifting his body like someone trying to pick a fruit from a tree he exerts very small force by his weak feet and calves muscles to lift his body

The force to lift a mass must be slightly greater than the weight my discovery is the force of human to lift his own body" same muscles on the same human" is very smaller than the weight and this a special case in organisms.

The experiment:
A person stands on a scale. The scale reads his weight 60 kg. When the person  lifts his body up like someone trying to pick a fruit from a tree the scale will increase by x kilograms in which the total read of the scale is 60+x kg. Although a mass needs a force greater than the mass  weight to be lifted, the x kgf force in the scale is very smaller* than the 60 kgf but it lifts the body.

2) I observed that a human of 60 kg can jump fast and high against gravity but he will barely move a rock of 60 kg and this is also because a human can jump with a very small force **

The experiment:
  While you are on the scale hold a 15 kg rock on your hands.Try to lift it up, the scale will measure  the force you lift the rock  with which is 15 kgf in which the scale will read 60+15 kg  the force to to lift the 15 kgf equals to its weight 15 kgf " what physics says" but the force to lift the human body is very smaller than body weight which is x kgf. So the person needs a 60 kgf  to lift the rock 60 kg and  he needs only the small x kgf  force to lift his body 60 kg that why a person of 60 kg can jump fast and high against gravity but he will not be able to even move a rock of 60 kg.

Although a force to lift an object must be slightly greater than the object weight, a human needs very smaller force than body weight to lift his own body. This also includes other movements : jumping, walking,running, dancing,etc with little effort

*I do not know how very small  but the constant of any equation is just a small fraction.
**jumping needs more force than x kgf but it is the same idea

[Yahya A.Sharif (OP)]

Why at least exerting tiny effort to do my experiments?

Would you accept the results if the experiment proved you wrong?

Of course.

[Bored chemist]

he exerts very small force by his weak feet and calves muscles to lift his body

How did you measure that force?
If you did not measure it, how do you know it is weak?

[Bored chemist]

I observed that a human of 60 kg can jump fast and high against gravity but he will barely move a rock of 60 kg and this is also because a human can jump with a very small force

You observed that it is much harder to move 120 Kg than 60 Kg.

Why did you think that was surprising?

[Bored chemist]

A person stands on a scale. The scale reads his weight 60 kg. When the person  lifts his body up like someone trying to pick a fruit from a tree the scale will increase by x kilograms in which the total read of the scale is 60+x kg.

Most scales (particularly simple bathroom scales) suffer from errors if the weight on them is not in the middle of the scales.

By moving your arms, you move your centre of gravity and that affects the reading on the scales.
It is an error, not a real effect.

When people test scales they measure the size of this error.
https://www.precisionsolutionsinc.com/resources/shift-and-corner-test/

You might be able to test for it yourself if you have a small but heavy weight like a block of metal.
Put it in the middle of the scales and see what they read, then move it to one side- or to the front r back- and see if it still gives the same reading.

Ultimately, we know you are wrong, because we actually measure the forces in bones and tendons.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10645365/

[Origin]

the x kgf force in the scale is very smaller* than the 60 kgf but it lifts the body.

That is not a discovery.  I learned that in the first semester of physics, mechanics.

[Eternal Student]

Hi again.

    It looks like you @Yahya A.Sharif  have had replies about your new theory - it seems to have been in the "new theories" section under the title   "The theory of the human body special mass".    They may not have said exactly what you wanted to hear and some of them weren't even all that friendly - but that's a slightly different issue. 
Your new idea and your time and effort to write it down wasn't  just ignored. 
    I'm sorry if the comments weren't what you may have wanted to hear.  Most new proposals are challenged, quite often a new proposal does not survive this sort of scrutiny and the work is never published.

Best Wishes.

[Origin]

some of them weren't even all that friendly

This is probably the 4th or 5th time he has started a thread on this same subject.  I think many of us are rather exasperated, I certainly am...

[Petrochemicals]

Happy to consider promoting your discovery. What have you discovered that was previously unknown to science?   

Thanks
1) I observed that a human when lifting his body like someone trying to pick a fruit from a tree he exerts very small force by his weak feet and calves muscles to lift his body

The force to lift a mass must be slightly greater than the weight my discovery is the force of human to lift his own body" same muscles on the same human" is very smaller than the weight and this a special case in organisms.

The experiment:
A person stands on a scale. The scale reads his weight 60 kg. When the person  lifts his body up like someone trying to pick a fruit from a tree the scale will increase by x kilograms in which the total read of the scale is 60+x kg. Although a mass needs a force greater than the mass  weight to be lifted, the x kgf force in the scale is very smaller* than the 60 kgf but it lifts the body.

2) I observed that a human of 60 kg can jump fast and high against gravity but he will barely move a rock of 60 kg and this is also because a human can jump with a very small force **

The experiment:
  While you are on the scale hold a 15 kg rock on your hands.Try to lift it up, the scale will measure  the force you lift the rock  with which is 15 kgf in which the scale will read 60+15 kg  the force to to lift the 15 kgf equals to its weight 15 kgf " what physics says" but the force to lift the human body is very smaller than body weight which is x kgf. So the person needs a 60 kgf  to lift the rock 60 kg and  he needs only the small x kgf  force to lift his body 60 kg that why a person of 60 kg can jump fast and high against gravity but he will not be able to even move a rock of 60 kg.

Although a force to lift an object must be slightly greater than the object weight, a human needs very smaller force than body weight to lift his own body. This also includes other movements : jumping, walking,running, dancing,etc with little effort

*I do not know how very small  but the constant of any equation is just a small fraction.
**jumping needs more force than x kgf but it is the same idea

Nope that's accelleration due to gravity, at present you are resisting about 10Newtons per kg of accelleration, if you try  to counter this accelleration even more the force, as you rightly deduce is even greater, suuh as walking up a hill, this means you do have to increace the effort required rather than just standing still.

[Petrochemicals]

some of them weren't even all that friendly

This is probably the 4th or 5th time he has started a thread on this same subject.  I think many of us are rather exasperated, I certainly am...

Does he know the proper means to becoming academically accepted? Peeer reviewed papers etc. Cambridge uni cannot bestow on him a new discovery award.

[Kryptid]

This has become a clone of the other thread about the same subject. As such, I'm merging them.

[Yahya A.Sharif (OP)]

I don't have a degree in physics so I can 't make it accepted. It is an excellent important  idea it mustn't bury forever . How I solve this?

[Yahya A.Sharif (OP)]

I don't have a degree in physics so I can 't make it accepted. It is an excellent important  idea it mustn't bury forever . How I solve this?

What if Newton's laws are still unknown and someone with only mechanics background discovered them how it will be accepted if he do not have a physics degree?