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Photons do not exist
« on: 05/04/2022 20:21:46 »
Light occurs when electric current moves through a wire causing electrons to move from a higher position to its normal position in the atom emitting energy. So science believes this energy released is a photon but this not true an electron can not move at a sudden motion to give a quantum or photon this violates Einstein theory of relativity that nothing exceeds the speed of light " moving at a sudden is just an infinite speed". The electron moves from the higher position to its normal position at a fraction of the speed c making it impossible to emit a quantum.
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Re: How photons are produced?
« Reply #1 on: 05/04/2022 20:58:56 »
We already knew that quantum jumps weren't instant: https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-leaps-long-assumed-to-be-instantaneous-take-time-20190605/

By the way, I'm still waiting for your answer in your other thread.
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Re: How photons are produced?
« Reply #2 on: 05/04/2022 21:05:46 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 05/04/2022 20:21:46
Light occurs when electric current moves through a wire causing electrons to move from a higher position to its normal position in the atom emitting energy. So science believes this energy released is a photon but this not true an electron can not move at a sudden motion to give a quantum or photon this violates Einstein theory of relativity that nothing exceeds the speed of light " moving at a sudden is just an infinite speed". The electron moves from the higher position to its normal position at a fraction of the speed c making it impossible to emit a quantum.

Nonsense.
The time taken for the electron to travel is about the same time as once cycle of the light produced.
Nobody ever said it was infinitely fast.
You made up that idea.

Kryptid and I are still waiting for you to answer questions in your earlier thread.
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=84458.msg673775#msg673775
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Re: Photons do not exist
« Reply #3 on: 05/04/2022 21:07:06 »
We can detect photons, so they exist: https://spie.org/publications/fg08_p34_photon_detectors?SSO=1#:~:text=Photon%20detectors%20count%20photons%20of,Cu2O%2C%20etc.)
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Re: Photons do not exist
« Reply #4 on: 05/04/2022 21:33:55 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 05/04/2022 21:07:06
We can detect photons, so they exist: https://spie.org/publications/fg08_p34_photon_detectors?SSO=1#:~:text=Photon%20detectors%20count%20photons%20of,Cu2O%2C%20etc.)
What I say do not necessarily to violate energy coming out of a light bulb electrons fall in the lower orbit in a graduate matter emitting energy waves not a single photon
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Re: How photons are produced?
« Reply #5 on: 05/04/2022 21:35:04 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 05/04/2022 20:58:56
By the way, I'm still waiting for your answer in your other thread.
I tried to return to the thread but I can't remember the question.
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Re: Photons do not exist
« Reply #6 on: 05/04/2022 21:37:37 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 05/04/2022 21:33:55
emitting energy waves

Those are called photons.

Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 05/04/2022 21:35:04
I tried to return to the thread but I can't remember the question.

Who wins in a pushing contest, a weak person or a strong person?
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Re: How photons are produced?
« Reply #7 on: 05/04/2022 21:39:11 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 05/04/2022 21:05:46
The time taken for the electron to travel is about the same time as once cycle of the light produced.
How light is produced in quantum? if the energy released gradually " not at a sudden" the photon will not wait for gradual energy release to become a quantum.

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Re: Photons do not exist
« Reply #8 on: 05/04/2022 21:40:24 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 05/04/2022 21:39:11
the photon will not wait for gradual energy release to become a quantum.

Says who?
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Re: Photons do not exist
« Reply #9 on: 05/04/2022 21:57:48 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 05/04/2022 21:40:24
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 05/04/2022 21:39:11
the photon will not wait for gradual energy release to become a quantum.
Says who?
I and I am right.
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Re: Photons do not exist
« Reply #10 on: 05/04/2022 22:01:01 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 05/04/2022 21:57:48
I and I am right.

Actual experimental results say otherwise. I already showed you a photon detector. We have the technology to detect individual photons. I trust experimental results over what someone on the Internet says.
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Re: Photons do not exist
« Reply #11 on: 05/04/2022 22:25:36 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 05/04/2022 22:01:01
I trust experimental results over what someone on the Internet says.
Then you do not want to hear what I say.
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Re: Photons do not exist
« Reply #12 on: 05/04/2022 22:32:24 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 05/04/2022 22:25:36
Then you do not want to hear what I say.

Not if it is denialism, no.
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Re: Photons do not exist
« Reply #13 on: 05/04/2022 23:01:21 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 05/04/2022 21:37:37
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 05/04/2022 21:33:55
emitting energy waves
Those are called photons.
No.This is my own concept reply #4 how scientists call it  photons?
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Re: Photons do not exist
« Reply #14 on: 05/04/2022 23:05:09 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 05/04/2022 23:01:21
No.This is my own concept

If you claim that photons do not exist (which is what the title of this thread says), then that is denialism.

Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 05/04/2022 23:01:21
how scientists call it  photons?

"Photo-" means light, so photons are the quanta of light.
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Re: Photons do not exist
« Reply #15 on: 05/04/2022 23:15:01 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 05/04/2022 21:35:04
Quote from: Kryptid on 05/04/2022 20:58:56
By the way, I'm still waiting for your answer in your other thread.
I tried to return to the thread but I can't remember the question.

I posted a link for you.
Here it is again.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 05/04/2022 21:05:46
Kryptid and I are still waiting for you to answer questions in your earlier thread.
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=84458.msg673775#msg673775
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Re: Photons do not exist
« Reply #16 on: 05/04/2022 23:15:56 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 05/04/2022 21:57:48
I am right.
You have been wrong about everything so far.
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Re: Photons do not exist
« Reply #17 on: 06/04/2022 08:57:49 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 05/04/2022 21:07:06
We can detect photons, so they exist: https://spie.org/publications/fg08_p34_photon_detectors?SSO=1#:~:text=Photon%20detectors%20count%20photons%20of,Cu2O%2C%20etc.)
How scientists explain the results?
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Re: Photons do not exist
« Reply #18 on: 06/04/2022 13:26:14 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 06/04/2022 08:57:49
Quote from: Kryptid on 05/04/2022 21:07:06
We can detect photons, so they exist: https://spie.org/publications/fg08_p34_photon_detectors?SSO=1#:~:text=Photon%20detectors%20count%20photons%20of,Cu2O%2C%20etc.)
How scientists explain the results?
Scientists explain the results by accepting that photons exist.
They are real.
We have proof of them.

The question is why don't you believe that?
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Re: Photons do not exist
« Reply #19 on: 06/04/2022 16:26:23 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 06/04/2022 16:20:59
You can see how photons are emitted is very wrong

No, I don't see it.
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