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Are Black Holes The Blackest Things Ever ?

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Are Black Holes The Blackest Things Ever ?
« on: 27/05/2022 14:35:51 »
Dearest Naked Science Peeps,



Are black holes the blackest things ever ? even blacker than the black paint stuff that is really black ?


I asked the sheep in 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' and all it did was donate wool to a Master, a Dame and a Boy !!..I mean, what kind of help is that ? absolutely rubbish !!!






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Are Blackholes the blackest thing ever ?
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Re: Are Black Holes The Blackest Things Ever ?
« Reply #1 on: 27/05/2022 15:28:22 »
They're not perfectly black, but they're blacker than a place in space with no stars in it.

The black sheep don't quite win, but close.
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Re: Are Black Holes The Blackest Things Ever ?
« Reply #2 on: 27/05/2022 15:55:29 »
Quote from: Halc on 27/05/2022 15:28:22
They're not perfectly black, but they're blacker than a place in space with no stars in it.

The black sheep don't quite win, but close.

Why is the one in the middle winking at us?
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Re: Are Black Holes The Blackest Things Ever ?
« Reply #3 on: 28/05/2022 02:39:42 »
Apparently, the current record-holder for blackest materials (as of 2019) is a forest of carbon nanotubes grown on aluminium, claimed to absorb 99.995% of incoming light.
- Ultrablack materials are very useful in construction of telescopes, as they reduce those annoying lines radiating from bright stars, and other optical defects.
See: https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2019/back-black-new-blackest-material/

But black holes are far blacker: Despite the accretion disk of a black hole getting hot enough to emit X-Rays, the event horizon of a solar-mass black hole has an effective surface temperature of around 60 nanoKelvins, due to Hawking radiation.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation#Overview
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Re: Are Black Holes The Blackest Things Ever ?
« Reply #4 on: 28/05/2022 12:17:48 »
lol...Thank ewe Halcy ;D


Quote from: Halc on 27/05/2022 15:28:22
They're not perfectly black, but they're blacker than a place in space with no stars in it.



The black sheep don't quite win, but close.

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Re: Are Black Holes The Blackest Things Ever ?
« Reply #5 on: 28/05/2022 12:20:07 »
Very interesting, thank ewe very much evan.
Can I ask further then, if that substance absorbs 99.995% of light, then where does the light go ? what happens to the absorbed light ?

Quote from: evan_au on 28/05/2022 02:39:42
Apparently, the current record-holder for blackest materials (as of 2019) is a forest of carbon nanotubes grown on aluminium, claimed to absorb 99.995% of incoming light.
- Ultrablack materials are very useful in construction of telescopes, as they reduce those annoying lines radiating from bright stars, and other optical defects.
See: https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2019/back-black-new-blackest-material/

But black holes are far blacker: Despite the accretion disk of a black hole getting hot enough to emit X-Rays, the event horizon of a solar-mass black hole has an effective surface temperature of around 60 nanoKelvins, due to Hawking radiation.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation#Overview
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Re: Are Black Holes The Blackest Things Ever ?
« Reply #6 on: 28/05/2022 13:18:46 »
Quote from: neilep on 28/05/2022 12:20:07
what happens to the absorbed light ?
It gets warm, and to prevent it from getting warm enough to radiate IR light back out (ruining their nice high percentage), it needs to be pulled away by other means, presumably by something on the other side keeping it cool.

The Webb telescope needs to be kept cooled to just a couple degrees Kelvin, and most of that is done by completely blocking light from Earth and sun, but that only works so far, and active cooling (heat pumps) must be used to get it fully to where they need it.

So don't put a woolly tongue on the telescope.  Baaaa-d idea.
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Re: Are Black Holes The Blackest Things Ever ?
« Reply #7 on: 28/05/2022 17:54:39 »
Last time I licked a telescope it was January !!..that WAS a baaad idea  ;D


So, the light is dispelled via heat after being absorbed. Like an exhaust !




Thank ewe Halc

Quote from: Halc on 28/05/2022 13:18:46
Quote from: neilep on 28/05/2022 12:20:07
what happens to the absorbed light ?
It gets warm, and to prevent it from getting warm enough to radiate IR light back out (ruining their nice high percentage), it needs to be pulled away by other means, presumably by something on the other side keeping it cool.

The Webb telescope needs to be kept cooled to just a couple degrees Kelvin, and most of that is done by completely blocking light from Earth and sun, but that only works so far, and active cooling (heat pumps) must be used to get it fully to where they need it.

So don't put a woolly tongue on the telescope.  Baaaa-d idea.
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Re: Are Black Holes The Blackest Things Ever ?
« Reply #8 on: 31/05/2022 04:00:52 »
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