Is global warming man-made?

alancalverd · « **Reply #140 on:** 07/01/2023 12:04:08 »

But have you measured the transmission factor of the entire atmosphere in the 15 micron range? It has been less than 1% at least since 1950.

No need to use a balloon or satellite, of course - just measure the incoming spectrum on a cloudless day. I'll be delighted to see your results because nothing makes a scientist happier than having a hypothesis demolished, and it doesn't matter which!

Bored chemist · « **Reply #141 on:** 07/01/2023 13:53:51 »

I already demolished the idea that a transition is saturated.
Why are you still banging on about it?

alancalverd · « **Reply #142 on:** 07/01/2023 15:27:46 »

Because the published evidence disagrees with your statement.

Bored chemist · « **Reply #143 on:** 07/01/2023 15:45:49 »

I was sure I had shown you with a diagram that the sides of the peaks in the spectra are not vertical.

Petrochemicals · « **Reply #144 on:** 07/01/2023 16:26:50 »

Coming back to the venus anomoly, the law of cooling does state that a hotter body will loose heat more rapidly, but given that the temperature of venus' surface is 750k and earth is 300k from the temperature of the environment (space) such an increaced rate of cooling to still render co2 as the insulator is unbelievable. Even if we include all of earth's greenhouse gasses at a level of insulation of methane giving 3 percent atmospheric water vapor the same potential as methane, which is said to be 100 times a potent as co2 it does not measure up. Venus has an atmosphere mass about 100 times greater than earth which has a greenhouse gas percentage of 30 times as much. Again this is ignoring pressure of the gas and proximity to the sun.

Perhaps the atmospheric pressure affects co2 ability to absorb the radiation, maybe the temperature of venus has reached a point where the IR is at a wavelength outside of the co2 window, maybe the co2 is saturated.

alancalverd · « **Reply #145 on:** 07/01/2023 23:18:57 »

Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/01/2023 15:45:49

I was sure I had shown you with a diagram that the sides of the peaks in the spectra are not vertical.

You had indeed, but you have not shown me anything that contradicts the published spectrophotometry at ground level.

wolfekeeper · « **Reply #146 on:** 12/01/2023 21:45:32 »

Exxon scientists calculated the CO2 levels rise due to fossil fuel emissions and the resultant rise in global temperatures back in the 70s and 80s, and it's tracked very well what they expected:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/12/exxon-climate-change-global-warming-research

alancalverd · « **Reply #147 on:** 12/01/2023 22:41:32 »

It's very easy to extrapolate a known curve. Much more difficult to explain it. The correlation of recent temperatures with the speed of broadband, the use of dishwashing detergents, or the sale of electric vehicles, is equally impressive.

Petrochemicals · « **Reply #148 on:** 13/01/2023 06:58:54 »

Many people predicted co2 increases around that time. They also predicted nuclear fusion and many many more things.

https://geekdad.com/2013/12/10-things-didnt-happen-2013/

Other things some did predict were population increase, biodiversity collapse, pollution followed by famine war and collapse.

Bored chemist · « **Reply #149 on:** 13/01/2023 08:44:57 »

Quote from: alancalverd on 12/01/2023 22:41:32

Much more difficult to explain it.

Yes, but we have got an explanation for the effect of CO2 on temperature.

alancalverd · « **Reply #150 on:** 13/01/2023 11:12:09 »

It certainly supports a growing industry, but so do most religions.

ArthurArts · « **Reply #151 on:** 14/01/2023 12:21:37 »

Am I the only one here who thinks Covid-19 is a "process" to "cleanse" the planet?

Bored chemist · « **Reply #152 on:** 14/01/2023 12:44:04 »

Quote from: ArthurArts on 14/01/2023 12:21:37

Am I the only one here who thinks Covid-19 is a "process" to "cleanse" the planet?

Probably.
This is a science site.

Petrochemicals · « **Reply #153 on:** 14/01/2023 18:07:31 »

Quote from: ArthurArts on 14/01/2023 12:21:37

Am I the only one here who thinks Covid-19 is a "process" to "cleanse" the planet?

Ebola would be more what you are after.

Kryptid · « **Reply #154 on:** 14/01/2023 23:37:44 »

Quote from: ArthurArts on 14/01/2023 12:21:37

Am I the only one here who thinks Covid-19 is a "process" to "cleanse" the planet?

By nature or what? Evolution doesn't think, so it's not like COVID arose as nature's way of killing off humanity in response to the damage we have caused to it (which COVID isn't very good at anyway).

ArthurArts · « **Reply #155 on:** 17/01/2023 23:02:02 »

Quote from: Bored chemist on 14/01/2023 12:44:04

Quote from: ArthurArts on 14/01/2023 12:21:37
Am I the only one here who thinks Covid-19 is a "process" to "cleanse" the planet?
Probably.
This is a science site.

Ok, sorry if I posted something inappropriate.*

ArthurArts · « **Reply #156 on:** 17/01/2023 23:08:02 »

Quote from: Kryptid on 14/01/2023 23:37:44

Quote from: ArthurArts on 14/01/2023 12:21:37
Am I the only one here who thinks Covid-19 is a "process" to "cleanse" the planet?

By nature or what? Evolution doesn't think, so it's not like COVID arose as nature's way of killing off humanity in response to the damage we have caused to it (which COVID isn't very good at anyway).

It is a reasonable idea, maybe it is indeed a "revenge" of nature. And everything because of us.

Kryptid · « **Reply #157 on:** 17/01/2023 23:21:34 »

Quote from: ArthurArts on 17/01/2023 23:08:02

It is a reasonable idea, maybe it is indeed a "revenge" of nature. And everything because of us.

How?

alancalverd · « **Reply #158 on:** 18/01/2023 00:12:32 »

We are part of nature. All diseases and disasters were created by the wise and loving god, for his own perverse amusement.

ArthurArts · « **Reply #159 on:** 21/01/2023 17:11:11 »

If we had loved God, he would have avoided such disasters.

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