[alancalverd]

I repeat my usual offer.

Bring me a working model and I will give you unlimited riches. Investors and craftsmen standing by to put it into commercial production. We will require a nondisclosure agreement, so suppress your video lest you reveal the secret. And don't apply for a patent - it will be refused at best or published at worst.

But we are getting a bit bored with waiting and may go to the dog track instead - better chance of winning, and a lot more fun. 

[Kryptid]

Because of the energy conservation principle, its value is equal to the potential energy difference when the objects are separated.

Conservation of energy is the reason why this device won't work in the first place.

Potential energy is a good thing to focus on, though. Objects move under the influence of a force when potential energy is capable of being turned into kinetic energy. The system is capable of undergoing a change of state where the potential energy decreases and the kinetic energy increases. A falling rock is a good example. Under the influence of a gravitational field, the potential energy of the rock decreases over time as it is turned into kinetic energy and the rock speeds up.

In the case of this device, that can't happen.

The total amount of chain that is submerged would not change at any point of the rotation cycle: as much chain is being submerged below the water's surface at any given time as is being brought out at the same time. That means that the potential energy of the system is constant at all points in time. If the potential energy cannot be changed into kinetic energy, then the chain cannot move. So the device won't work.

[perPedes (OP)]

the chain in the video is acting with ferrofluid, not with water !

[Kryptid]

the chain in the video is acting with ferrofluid, not with water !

Doesn't make a difference.

[Deecart]

the chain in the video is acting with ferrofluid, not with water !

Thank you for the clarification, i was wondering about.

Conservation of energy is the reason why this device won't work in the first place.

Is the reason why this device wont work is not equal to this device is not working..
You dont have any device in front of you so you can only speak about theory, not about facts (thats how science work).

In the case of this device, that can't happen.

What "cant happen" ? That the potential energy is turned into kinetic energy ?
Of course, because this is not how this device is supposed to work.

The total amount of chain that is submerged would not change at any point of the rotation cycle: as much chain is being submerged below the water's surface at any given time as is being brought out at the same time. That means that the potential energy of the system is constant at all points in time. If the potential energy cannot be changed into kinetic energy, then the chain cannot move. So the device won't work.

I dont understand what you mean.

I only know that if i put more volume into water i got more buoyancy.
Thats what happen here : More length of the chain in water equal more buoyancy.
I dont think this part of the process is so difficult to understand.
Perhaps there is some countereaction elsewhere, but this point : "more force" is established.
If you dont understand, try again.

More difficult is :
If this is a hoax, where is the flaw ? Is there some new exotic phenomenon trying to maintain the amount of total energy ?
If this is not a hoax, where is the energy coming from ?

[Bored chemist]

the chain in the video is acting with ferrofluid, not with water !

Thank you for the clarification, i was wondering about.

Conservation of energy is the reason why this device won't work in the first place.

Is the reason why this device wont work is not equal to this device is not working..
You dont have any device in front of you so you can only speak about theory, not about facts (thats how science work).

In the case of this device, that can't happen.

What "cant happen" ? That the potential energy is turned into kinetic energy ?
Of course, because this is not how this device is supposed to work.

The total amount of chain that is submerged would not change at any point of the rotation cycle: as much chain is being submerged below the water's surface at any given time as is being brought out at the same time. That means that the potential energy of the system is constant at all points in time. If the potential energy cannot be changed into kinetic energy, then the chain cannot move. So the device won't work.

I dont understand what you mean.

I only know that if i put more volume into water i got more buoyancy.
Thats what happen here : More length of the chain in water equal more buoyancy.
I dont think this part of the process is so difficult to understand.
Perhaps there is some countereaction elsewhere, but this point : "more force" is established.
If you dont understand, try again.

More difficult is :
If this is a hoax, where is the flaw ? Is there some new exotic phenomenon trying to maintain the amount of total energy ?
If this is not a hoax, where is the energy coming from ?

Do you understand that no perpetual motion machine or over-unity machine can actually work?

[Kryptid]

Is the reason why this device wont work is not equal to this device is not working..

I'm not sure what you mean.

You dont have any device in front of you so you can only speak about theory, not about facts (thats how science work).

Conservation of energy is a fact.

What "cant happen" ? That the potential energy is turned into kinetic energy ?

Yes, that cannot happen here.

Of course, because this is not how this device is supposed to work.

If it's supposed to move, it is.

I dont understand what you mean.

Things can't move unless they have potential energy that can be converted into kinetic energy (light and gravitational waves notwithstanding). The chain in this device has no potential energy. Without potential energy, you don't get kinetic energy.

If this is a hoax, where is the flaw ?

The flaw is the lack of potential energy.

Is there some new exotic phenomenon trying to maintain the amount of total energy ?

No, conservation of energy is not new.

If this is not a hoax, where is the energy coming from ?

It's not coming from anywhere because this device cannot generate energy. It doesn't work.

[perPedes (OP)]

guys, please, it works, because it has to work. the only wonder would be, a wonder, if the maschine didnt work, because materie has no opportunity to choose, it has to follow physic realities. if you  believe, it doesnt work, its your good right, but its my right to demand, build it, i gave you the description, and its a work for three days for a good engineer.
I beg you all, only for a minute, imagine the video is true, and also the calculation, because it would be to much work for a cheap fake. so imagine and start a real diskussion based on calculationes and scientific spirit. and if you say why should i do this, I say, why not, what is a minute in such an universe. 

[Kryptid]

guys, please, it works, because it has to work.

Noether's theorem says otherwise.

it has to follow physic realities.

That's why it won't work.

If you want to prove this works, you're better off bringing your device to a scientific institution in person and letting them examine it in detail.

[perPedes (OP)]

if you see what happens in this forum with this true as revoutional concept, you realy think, you can place this in any university in the whole world   

and please, good man, the calculation you have, is highest academic standart, so please please please with lots sugar upon, read the sources. its all from books in your own bookshelf. academic work means not to become blessed by acadenics, but holding academic standarts, and again, build it, or are you in fear it works ?

[Kryptid]

Your sources don't matter because Noether's theorem (which is mathematically proven) says it can't work.

[perPedes (OP)]

of course @noether but the mechanical formulas are also to find in this book where you found the noether, only a few pages away, and these formulars are correct used. as you see, and contracict the good old noethy. if you respect noether you also have tho respect thermodynamic und hydrostatic, its in the same book. so please show the mistake in the calculation, and tell me, am I right, you are in fear for the maschine realy works

[Kryptid]

if you respect noether you also have tho respect thermodynamic und hydrostatic

And both the thermodynamic and hydrostatic laws obey Noether's theorem, which is why your machine cannot possibly create net energy.

you are in fear for the maschine realy works

I have no reason to be afraid of it working. If it did, it would revolutionize the world. I just know that it can't because Noether's theorem won't let it.

If you are actually serious about this, you should take up alancalverd on his offer. He has expressed a willingness to observe your machine in person. If you can't book a flight to him, then send him the machine by mail instead.

[perPedes (OP)]

Im not here to have any ethics conversation, so please go on, and I want you all und especially you, give a great compliment. you are the only one forum in the world, where every voice is heard after all. congratulationes. and now the end is near, and go on waiting for microscopic investigation of the calculation or otherwise, one of you, Ladies, dare to build it.

hope i see you soon

[perPedes (OP)]

... I go on...  sry 

[alancalverd]

I was a bit overgenerous offering "unlimited" riches, since there is only a finite amount of money in the world, and I want my cut. So the offer is for half of all the money in the world (minus production and marketing costs), eventually.

[perPedes (OP)]

realy, you want an addition, smile,

you realy think, the guy who invented a first real Pm, needs to send it by Ups in a oversea country without any warranty for nothing to become successful so i am wondering what in the hell qualifies you to be a mod. 

and now, elvis left the building

[Colin2B]

……to send it by Ups in a oversea country without any warranty for nothing to become successful

No one is asking you to send it anywhere, just bring it to a lab in Cambridge.
If you can demonstrate it under lab conditions there is money in it, lots.

so i am wondering what in the hell qualifies you to be a mod. 

Wrong question. Success in business, developing and bringing products to market is what counts here. Both Alan & I have strong track records here, particularly in making it happen.

[alancalverd]

I'm always happy to send samples by courier - it's the modern way of business. But if you would prefer to accompany your product, I can collect you and it from Stansted airport or Harwich seaport. Small effort, massive returns.

The advantage of demonstrating it in Cambridge is not only the accessibility of venture capital and prototype manufacturing, but the possibility of telling the world about it through Chris's radio program.

[paul cotter]

Don't do any deals with that alancalverd dude, I'll do a better one . Alancalverd wants 50% of the worlds money in return and 50% to you. I'll give you 75% with 25% for me, that 25% should be adequate for my minimalist needs. Also I will organise patent protection so no chance of greedy miscreants steeling your amazing invention. Contrary to the perceived wisdom on the matter it is possible to patent a perpetual motion device in the us patent system provided one demonstrates a working device.