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Quote from: Bored chemist on 05/10/2022 19:42:52The really stupid part of the idea that scientists can be "bought" is how badly paid most of us are.Exactly and because you are badly paid you are easier to use and abuse and manipulate into saying what the paymasters want you to say.
The really stupid part of the idea that scientists can be "bought" is how badly paid most of us are.
Quote from: wolfekeeper on 04/10/2022 23:45:01Look:1) CO2 has gone above 400 ppm in the first time in the whole of human history and this has been traced to being caused by fossil fuels being burnt2) we've had 8 of the 10 hottest years in recorded history in the last ten years. That cannot happen by chance.3) California and Australia were both on fire.It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that when climate change is significant enough that even meteorologists can easily see it in their data, that it's very, very, very real.But the op is whether these readings can be trusted, not what are the readings. In the case of temperature this one can, as it accepts that the margin of error is wide. 2000_years_with_error_v2.png (94.78 kB . 800x600 - viewed 3592 times)I my opinion yes they can be trusted, the planet is warming, in the 12th century rivers where freezing over during the winter, during the 1600 they where still freezing over, dickens wrote about the tail end of this cool period. Conversely people will argue that the little ice age was localised, but in that case I disagree, you cannot have part of a system that is cooling whilst still claiming the same temperature for the whole. It would be very easy to argue that this warming period is anommolous. But the trend is that we are getting warmer over the last 10000years, if we were not I would be very very very concerned as temperatures rise slowly but drop very fast.
Look:1) CO2 has gone above 400 ppm in the first time in the whole of human history and this has been traced to being caused by fossil fuels being burnt2) we've had 8 of the 10 hottest years in recorded history in the last ten years. That cannot happen by chance.3) California and Australia were both on fire.It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that when climate change is significant enough that even meteorologists can easily see it in their data, that it's very, very, very real.
Have you ever met one with a different agenda? Hen's teeth come to mind.
i can get an expert and as long as i pay his salary he will bark exactly as i order him to.
Exactly and because you are badly paid you are easier to use and abuse and manipulate into saying what the paymasters want you to say.
Quote from: championoftruth on 05/10/2022 20:41:09Quote from: Bored chemist on 05/10/2022 19:42:52The really stupid part of the idea that scientists can be "bought" is how badly paid most of us are.Exactly and because you are badly paid you are easier to use and abuse and manipulate into saying what the paymasters want you to say.But... if we were being paid to corrupt the results, like you suggest, we would no longer be being badly paid, would we.And, since we are badly paid, it follows that we are not being bribed.This isn't meant to be difficult.
Quote from: alancalverd on 05/10/2022 17:41:08Have you ever met one with a different agenda? Hen's teeth come to mind.I'd be awfully surprised if all climate scientists from all countries worldwide had the exact same political opinions.Quote from: championoftruth on 05/10/2022 18:59:22i can get an expert and as long as i pay his salary he will bark exactly as i order him to.Climate scientists aren't all paid by a single individual. So if what you are saying was true, you'd expect there to be a lot of disagreement among them as they are all paid by different people who (presumably) would have different agendas.That is, of course, unless one were to invoke a conspiracy theory where all of these scientists are actually being paid by some world-wide secret organization with tentacles invading the developed world...QuoteExactly and because you are badly paid you are easier to use and abuse and manipulate into saying what the paymasters want you to say.If that was really true, then we might as well say that science can't be trusted and we should throw away all of our textbooks because they were written by people who could be bought. No more periodic table, no more rocket ships, no more medicine, etc.
You seem to have forgotten WEF GAVI GATES and the Melinda and Gates foundation.
Quote from: championoftruth on 05/10/2022 20:55:20You seem to have forgotten WEF GAVI GATES and the Melinda and Gates foundation.I can't forget evidence that I was never shown. So how about showing it to me?
No problem. This is publicly recorded and verifiable information.you need to study it first.cant attach it as 19mb. limit is 2.5mb
Why did you limit your graph to 600? why not before Because?Also by selecting the 'right' time period start and end points you can spread your political agenda as much as you like.look the graph line is going down we are into a ice age and its going up we are into global warming.
Here it is. i had to split the 169 page to just a few as 19meg pdf
Quote from: championoftruth on 05/10/2022 21:19:14Here it is. i had to split the 169 page to just a few as 19meg pdfYou're aware that someone giving grants to organizations is not the same thing as forcing those organizations to secretly falsify information in accordance with some sinister plan, right? I want evidence for the latter, not the former.Okay, so I'm looking at the timeline here and things are not adding up for this conspiracy theory. It seems that evidence for climate change was starting to be observed as far back as the 1950's. In 1988, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was set up. So the evidence must have been pretty good for climate change even so long ago.Now I take a look at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and it was started in 2000. Same thing for the Global Alliance of Vaccines and Immunization. The first conference of the World Education Forum was also held in that same year. So donations from those organizations could not have plausibly been responsible for faking the evidence for climate change that led to the formation of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
i can get an expert and as long as i pay his salary he will bark exactly as i order him to. rent a experts are dime a dozen as the last 3 years have shown.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 05/10/2022 20:45:37Quote from: championoftruth on 05/10/2022 20:41:09Quote from: Bored chemist on 05/10/2022 19:42:52The really stupid part of the idea that scientists can be "bought" is how badly paid most of us are.Exactly and because you are badly paid you are easier to use and abuse and manipulate into saying what the paymasters want you to say.But... if we were being paid to corrupt the results, like you suggest, we would no longer be being badly paid, would we.And, since we are badly paid, it follows that we are not being bribed.This isn't meant to be difficult.Well you are not going to be paid in traceable and taxable money are you? It in the form of delayed incentives.when you leave your job come 'work' for us as a 'consultant' for a few hours a week and we pay you a cushy pension and 500k etc. Or move to the Bahamas...is how corruption works
Is that another conspiracy theory?
You dont get those 'donations' without terms and conditions.
You seem to have forgotten WEF GAVI GATES and the Melinda and Gates foundation. They have their tentacles everywhere thru front and 'non profit' organizations and thru 'donations' of multibillions.