[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

I'm not great with my words. but it seems like 2^n and n=diameter would be a near perfect example of something that would seek comfort.
n^3 where n=diameter provided. that's with circles though.
diameter=1 uses 2 in 2d, 3 in 3d
diameter=2 uses 4 in 2d, 6 in 3d
diameter=3 uses 8 in 2d, 12 in 3d
diameter=4 uses 16 in 2d, 24 in 3d
diameter=5 uses 32 in 2d, 48 in 3d
diameter=6 uses 64 in 2d, 96 in 3d
diameter=7 uses 128 in 2d, 192 in 3d
diameter=8 uses 256 in 2d, 384 in 3d
diameter=9  uses 512 in 2d, 768 in 3d

Could something similar be used in atoms or in greater cosmological structures.
if so, could it explain the relatively flat nature of our sol system, as being part of the skin of a greater sphere or ellipsoid?

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

Possible existence in electron shell diagram?
could a change in two level 3 electrons have that much impact?

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

helium has a weight of 4.002
4.002/2=2.001
2.001=1+0.334+0.667
deuterium>1+0.334+0.667
hydrogen>0.334+0.667
if charge + spin + mass = gravity unit.
1/6=electron
1/3=proton
1/2= neutron

[Kryptid]

if charge + spin + mass = gravity unit.

Mass alone is enough to explain gravity.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

no, its enough to state gravity exists.
but to explain it, in a relatively sized statement, is more difficult.
add in the other 3 forces, it gets more difficult.
the charge + spin + mass = gravitational unit is more for inference of a thought process to show a possible flip interaction.
Unless its easy to explain why the weight hits at 4.002 for helium instead of 4.
by the way. Apply Collatz's n/2 to breakdown of helium via 5 particles.
4.002/2=2.001
2.001/5=0.4002
0.4002+(2*0.4002)+(2*0.4002)=2.001
but then proton weight and neutron weight is the same. when visually, and by charge we can see a difference.

0.4002*1/6=0.0667
0.4002-0.0667=0.3335
0.4002+0.0667=0.4669

0.4002+(2*0.3335)+(2*0.4669)=2.001
then we check with hydrogen and deuterium
0.4002+0.3335=0.7337<hydrogen
0.4002+0.3335+0.4669=1.2006>deuterium
this gets worse the more we attempt to rectify it. it loops wrong to fall down perfectly. (collatz breakdown via n/2 evens)
meaning we missed or misinterpretted atomic particle evidence.

[Kryptid]

A helium-4 nucleus doesn't weigh exactly the same as two protons plus two neutrons because of nuclear binding energy. There is a mass defect that comes from the fact that a helium-4 nucleus is more stable than the four nucleons as separate entities.

[Bored chemist]

"perpetual energy creation?"
No.
Science says so.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

laws of thermodynamics plus laws of force state that a closed system can create, but what happens to that excess?

In the first law, an object will not change its motion unless a force acts on it. In the second law, the force on an object is equal to its mass times its acceleration. In the third law, when two objects interact, they apply forces to each other of equal magnitude and opposite direction.

so force in equal measure and spherical settings?
The laws of thermodynamics define a group of physical quantities, such as temperature, energy, and entropy, that characterize thermodynamic systems in thermodynamic equilibrium. The laws also use various parameters for thermodynamic processes, such as thermodynamic work and heat, and establish relationships between them. They state empirical facts that form a basis of precluding the possibility of certain phenomena, such as perpetual motion. In addition to their use in thermodynamics, they are important fundamental laws of physics in general, and are applicable in other natural sciences.

Traditionally, thermodynamics has recognized three fundamental laws, simply named by an ordinal identification, the first law, the second law, and the third law.[1][2][3] A more fundamental statement was later labelled as the zeroth law, after the first three laws had been established.

The zeroth law of thermodynamics defines thermal equilibrium and forms a basis for the definition of temperature: If two systems are each in thermal equilibrium with a third system, then they are in thermal equilibrium with each other.

The first law of thermodynamics states that, when energy passes into or out of a system (as work, heat, or matter), the system's internal energy changes in accordance with the law of conservation of energy.

The second law of thermodynamics states that in a natural thermodynamic process, the sum of the entropies of the interacting thermodynamic systems never decreases. A common corollary of the statement is that heat does not spontaneously pass from a colder body to a warmer body.

The third law of thermodynamics states that a system's entropy approaches a constant value as the temperature approaches absolute zero. With the exception of non-crystalline solids (glasses), the entropy of a system at absolute zero is typically close to zero.[2]

The first and second laws prohibit two kinds of perpetual motion machines, respectively: the perpetual motion machine of the first kind which produces work with no energy input, and the perpetual motion machine of the second kind which spontaneously converts thermal energy into mechanical work.

If two magnets have force between them, pressure, will they not be inclined to move?
and if in spherical settings, would that movement not equate to layers moving in opposite directions?
If we purposely put them under pressure?

[Bored chemist]

laws of thermodynamics plus laws of force state that a closed system can create,

Create what?
Because they certainly can't create energy.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

if two magnets being in close proximate can create will to move, (seeking comfort) then a sphere of magnets with the right patterns of magnet facing, could possibly create will to move as well, that chases it's own comfort, continuously. if it moves, and has a built in field system (outer sphere of magnets) then that field system can be harnessed via the motion produced (faraday style charging structure) to create electricity.
the energy is used and kept and stored within the sphere system itself. using the slow leaking force of magnetic fields from magnets to create motion. tapping it is tapping the moving fields, which would be less inhibition than a direct power tapping mechanism. actually, it never really converts anything. it uses the fact that like magnet ends repel as force, to create motion.
magnetic force, attraction or repulsion that arises between electrically charged particles because of their motion. It is the basic force responsible for such effects as the action of electric motors and the attraction of magnets for iron.
https://images.app.goo.gl/uwGp2oUqgc28ccKf6
that image shows why magnets can use the extra slot in the next sphere, compared to it's own. 

[Kryptid]

if two magnets being in close proximate can create will to move, (seeking comfort) then a sphere of magnets with the right patterns of magnet facing, could possibly create will to move as well, that chases it's own comfort, continuously. if it moves, and has a built in field system (outer sphere of magnets) then that field system can be harnessed via the motion produced (faraday style charging structure) to create electricity.

That wouldn't work. Noether's theorem guarantees that such a perpetual motion machine cannot exist:

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

now apply 2^n=1/2^-n to speed and distance.
2*s=1/2*d
an extra movement is derived from our zero point exchange of
2^n=1/2^-n to 2^-n=1/2^n.
remember, you have to circumvent true zero.
also compare 2n to 2n+1 in negative to positive spectrums. include zero for perception.
go from -3 to 3.
-3=2n where n=-1.5
-3=2n+1 where n=-2.
the more we try to break it down, the more it exchanges 2n and 2n+1 to breakdown.
-1.5=2n where n=-0.75
-1.5=2n+1 where n=-1.25
it allows a very small looping mechanism. with very slow gains.

more specifically.
2n=0 where n=0
2n+1=0 where n=-0.5
2n+1=1 where n=0
2n=2 where n=1
2n+1=2 where n=0.5

[Bored chemist]

No matter how much word salad you write, the laws of physics still prevent perpetual motion.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

see.  that is just  disrespectful.
to think, you know science so well. you should already have the 4 forces united and a complete standard model. if not, you don't know. you think you know.
science is about testing and retesting. changing parameters. have a good day.
after that insult, that closed mind repetitive loop, please refrain from replying to me. if you have issues with that, get your ego in check. i came for discussion. not to be insulted.
word salad. **** off bro. talk on the subject. not the person.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

2n+1=7 where we break up 2n+1=3 into either side.
2*(2n+1=3)+1
(3,2,1,0,1,2,3)
now work out where each 3 lands with the +1 we added. -0.5 to 0.5, explain this gapping please. (the 2n is 0.5 to 2.5 with 1.5 as an operating zero) (-0.5 to -2.5 via -1.5)
hint, the split is like chaos theory logistics map, except quicker.
imagine 2n+1 as step locations if 2n is movement.
 1 step always involves two points.
2 steps always involves three points.
3 steps always involves four points.
quirks attach in 2 down, 1 up. (or 2 up, 1 down)
odds and evens always have 2 to one ratio in the order they come. its all binary systems in layers.
but yet, word salad. maybe its just over your head bro. or maybe, you think you know more than you actually know, because some people jumped the gun, and we just accepted what they said, wrongfully so.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

we reduce ways, we don't instantly jump the gun.
"The first and second laws prohibit two kinds of perpetual motion machines, respectively: the perpetual motion machine of the first kind which produces work with no energy input, and the perpetual motion machine of the second kind which spontaneously converts thermal energy into mechanical work." from google.

phi is how we are able to do it. because of data share exchange zones. simple overlap when we halve our golden math ratio of a pentagram. a+b=c+b becomes a+b/2=c+b/2 where b=1.
this leaves 1.618-1=0.618
0.618*2=1.236
that is 0.236 shared data zone.
that shared data zone is what we are truly taking advantage of.
all based in physics bro. just getting magnets to chase comfort, eternally, as long as they have power.
its just that we make the comfort zone chase it's own comfort too.
but you know more about something you don't think is possible than someone who explored it open mindedly.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

Unless you have tried to test possible perpetual systems, you can't outright deny them from personal knowledge. with science leaning towards impossibility, hardly anyone looks into it. especially now a days.
but if perpetual motion via magnetism always finds comfort to stop, then a comfort finding system is needed to truly be perpetual. find the comfort, and i'll shut up. You'll actually get me to drop it. but just stating that it's not possible is not science. let's dig in and possibly discover origins of Fibonacci spirals.
top row, 2nd to last picture provided.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

by the way, small gains in cosmology might use a natural version of what i'm talking about to explain the added expansion we see.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

2n+1=3 where n=1
2n+1=7 where n=3
2n+1=15 where n=7

2n=2 where n=1
2n=6 where n=3
2n=14 where n=7
when we have 2n+1=3 in double,
we see
-3,-2.5,-2,-1.5,-1,-0.5,0,0.5,1,1.5,2,2.5,3
2n=2 where n=1 would be -0.5 to -2.5 when done from -1.5
explain how we have -0.5 to 0.5 as well as -3 to -2.5 and 3 to 2.5
we have double the gain we should, present.
just by inserting 2n and 2n+1.
so unless how this happens is understood, we should probably explore it. Wouldn't you agreee?
if nothing else, we add to our knowledge bank of human collecterd knowledge.
if we succeed in finding a looping mechanism, we can end oil dependance.
win win, either way, as long as we investigate.
thats why i have issues trusting what's been said. why i have doubt. I can't wrap my head around the way expansion can seem to work when we break things down. the math don't make sense to me, unless we have a perpetual natural element that we missed.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

which brings me to this, mess.
notice it uses the same 0.5 and 2.5 as well as -0.5 and -2.5....