[Bored chemist]

they should have taken the pieces

I presume they did , and that's what it was restored from

why would it be seen as valuable

It would have been very expensive, in time and craftsmanship.
It's also beautiful.
Why wouldn't you have wanted to take it with you?

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

they should have taken the pieces

I presume they did , and that's what it was restored from

why would it be seen as valuable

It would have been very expensive, in time and craftsmanship.
It's also beautiful.
Why wouldn't you have wanted to take it with you?

I meant the men who broke it. purposefully. With reason.
and the rest of his stuff was bones, basic stone bowls, and all that expense on one piece of "art" or one piece of "technology".

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

There were seven chambers in his tomb, consisting of animal bones, flint tools, ceramic vessels, ivory products, stone bowls

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

The Chalcolithic or Copper Age is the transitional period between the Neolithic and the Bronze Age. It is taken to begin around the mid-5th millennium BC, and ends with the beginning of the Bronze Age proper, in the late 4th to 3rd millennium BC, depending on the region.
copper age was well past. copper for wire for transmission of currents.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

they should have taken the pieces

I presume they did , and that's what it was restored from

why would it be seen as valuable

It would have been very expensive, in time and craftsmanship.
It's also beautiful.
Why wouldn't you have wanted to take it with you?

I meant the men who broke it. purposefully. With reason.
and the rest of his stuff was bones, basic stone bowls, and all that expense on one piece of "art" or one piece of "technology".

It would be evidence targeted for destruction by those who knew of perpetuality's existence. Hence why so many European kings showed a fondness for alchemy research.
They had to understand it to order their men to destroy evidence of it.

I'll be back to discuss it more, later. Gonna spend time with family.

btw bored chemist. please. hear me when i say this. I like the way you argue. The way you bring up things. like

oh wait, is this evidence that the atom was known about and theorized as far back as 1010? what? impossible you say?

The idea of atoms is a lot older than that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus#Atomic_hypothesis

this is what i love to see. let's explore, not question probabilities, until we know what kind of full system time would use. because time keeps ticking, like atoms do. it takes a lot to stop an atom or pull it apart. it takes more to stop time, or pull it apart.
antimatter. does antimatter stop an atom? if in equal relation?

[Bored chemist]

I meant the men who broke it. purposefully. With reason.

Which men?
Those who buried it?
It's possible that some burial goods had to be "killed" so that they ascended to heaven with the deceased.
But really; who knows.

What we do know is that it's not actually magic because magic isn't real.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

Which men?
Those who buried it?
It's possible that some burial goods had to be "killed" so that they ascended to heaven with the deceased.
But really; who knows.

What we do know is that it's not actually magic because magic isn't real.

umm. christians have done "archeological studies" and campaigned wars for years. the papal declarations shared include separation of African lands to christian nations. 1500bc to 1600 bc. aproximately.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

the papal decrees shows a push for new lands and a new world. shortly after the carbon dating of the voynich mansucript, shortly after :
Between 1492 and 1504, Columbus completed four round-trip voyages between Spain and the Americas, each voyage being sponsored by the Crown of Castile. On his first voyage he reached the Americas, initiating the European exploration and colonization of the continent, as well as the Columbian exchange. His role in history is thus important to the Age of Discovery, Western history, and human history writ large

The Voynich manuscript is an illustrated codex hand-written in an otherwise unknown writing system, referred to as 'Voynichese'.[18] The vellum on which it is written has been carbon-dated to the early 15th century (1404–1438), and stylistic analysis indicates it may have been composed in Italy during the Italian Renaissance.[1][2] The origins, authorship, and purpose of the manuscript are debated. Various hypotheses have been suggested, including that it is an otherwise unrecorded script for a natural language or constructed language; an unread code, cypher, or other form of cryptography; or simply a meaningless hoax.

the vellum was made early enough to have been written by a columbus crewman.
The first confirmed owner was Georg Baresch, a 17th-century alchemist from Prague. Baresch was apparently puzzled about this "Sphynx" that had been "taking up space uselessly in his library" for many years.[9] He learned that Jesuit scholar Athanasius Kircher from the Collegio Romano had published a Coptic (Egyptian) dictionary and claimed to have deciphered the Egyptian hieroglyphs; Baresch twice sent a sample copy of the script to Kircher in Rome, asking for clues. The 1639 letter from Baresch to Kircher is the earliest known mention of the manuscript to have been confirmed

[Origin]

the papal declarations shared include separation of African lands to christian nations. 1500bc to 1600 bc.

Papal declarations before Jesus was born?
You are all over the map.  Try and focus on one question at a time.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

the papal declarations shared include separation of African lands to christian nations. 1500bc to 1600 bc.

Papal declarations before Jesus was born?
You are all over the map.  Try and focus on one question at a time.

voynich was created after 1404. columbus sailed at 1492 (and after). Carbon testing put the date of voynich after 1404, but it's existence is mentioned 1637. meaning a 233 year window. the papal decrees for westward expansion, to destroy any existing proof of perpetuality came right after Columbus sailed. At the same time, they created manifest destiny, and a document that helped inspire it literally uses the same language as racists spout today. the sun god example shows perpetual constructs and knowledge of four layers, with a large gap of separation. which would show the electron shell diagram and the multiverse and 3 higher levels.
basically, if written to show the new world, and it showed evidence of perpetuality in Native American art, it would show why Europe created manifest destiny.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

the papal declarations shared include separation of African lands to christian nations. 1500bc to 1600 bc.

Papal declarations before Jesus was born?
You are all over the map.  Try and focus on one question at a time.

ad my bad. bc always messes me up lol. i don't know why i put that there.

[Bored chemist]

Which men?
Those who buried it?
It's possible that some burial goods had to be "killed" so that they ascended to heaven with the deceased.
But really; who knows.

What we do know is that it's not actually magic because magic isn't real.

umm. christians have done "archeological studies" and campaigned wars for years. the papal declarations shared include separation of African lands to christian nations. 1500bc to 1600 bc. aproximately.

I asked you the time and you told me about orange pasta.

[Bored chemist]

Various hypotheses have been suggested, including that it is an otherwise unrecorded script for a natural language or constructed language; an unread code, cypher, or other form of cryptography; or simply a meaningless hoax.

Here's my favourite explanation.
https://xkcd.com/593/
But the point is that, because we don't know anything about it, it can't serve as evidence of much.

So it should not be part of a scientific discussion unless the field is cryptography or some such.

It can not help answer the question "why is the sky  blue?".
It couldn't even help if it was an exact description of why the ski is blue- because we can't read it.

So, why did you mention it?

[paul cotter]

I tried already but he ignored my question.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

Which men?
Those who buried it?
It's possible that some burial goods had to be "killed" so that they ascended to heaven with the deceased.
But really; who knows.

What we do know is that it's not actually magic because magic isn't real.

umm. christians have done "archeological studies" and campaigned wars for years. the papal declarations shared include separation of African lands to christian nations. 1500bc to 1600 bc. aproximately.

I asked you the time and you told me about orange pasta.

you asked me the time, i started linking how we thought about time. and then put two of them together to describe time as perpetual, with atoms being perpetual, that would make that theorem invalid.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

Various hypotheses have been suggested, including that it is an otherwise unrecorded script for a natural language or constructed language; an unread code, cypher, or other form of cryptography; or simply a meaningless hoax.

Here's my favourite explanation.
https://xkcd.com/593/
But the point is that, because we don't know anything about it, it can't serve as evidence of much.

So it should not be part of a scientific discussion unless the field is cryptography or some such.

It can not help answer the question "why is the sky  blue?".
It couldn't even help if it was an exact description of why the ski is blue- because we can't read it.

So, why did you mention it?

Because it describes physics with the flip particle. we can't translate it, because we view atoms without the flip particle.
1/6+1/3+1/2=1
1/5+2/5+2/5=1
bottom left of the page.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

my work. based off that bottom left corner.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

I tried already but he ignored my question.

ask your question again please. I might have missed it, or the answer might still be forming in my head. well, the best way i can answer. I don't have all the answers. actually more questions than anything. but that is science. more questions than answers.

[paul cotter]

Nobody has all the answers. What I asked is "what has an ancient indecipherable manuscript got in connection with science". Absolutely nothing in my opinion, it's just wild speculation.

[KiltedWeirdo (OP)]

Nobody has all the answers. What I asked is "what has an ancient indecipherable manuscript got in connection with science". Absolutely nothing in my opinion, it's just wild speculation.

scientists have always faced some form of government oversight, since governments have existed. in a monarchy, the treat of disobeying a king can lead to death.
through threats of death the church was able to sway science.
Voynich was how the church learned the truth of science, to try and keep us away from learning the truth. I'm talking about motive, means, and evidence of science being purposefully misled, by the church of rome.
right after columbus sailed to america, we see the church's reactions in papal decrees. the timing of it all goes against the church. the fact they created the racist language that helps keep us separated today, further proof.
I don't have the exact document that makes the statements. its a hard read. especially when you consider how many people have died because of it, and the racism created by it.