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Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?

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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #60 on: 08/12/2022 14:22:01 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 08/12/2022 11:46:31
Maxwell treated electric charge as continuum, which can be divided infinitesimally.
No. He merely used the known phenomena of a magnetic field being induced by a moving charge and a potential being induced by a changing magnetic field. He made no assumptions about the nature of either.
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #61 on: 08/12/2022 14:34:57 »
Quote from: DarkKnight on 08/12/2022 05:17:43
I find it interesting that Maxwell explained the speed of light in a vacuum as c when space isn't a vacuum nor empty.

Hardly interesting at all.  μ0 and ε0 are arbitrary constants that relate the observed speed of light  to our conventional units of time and distance.
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I also don't understand why Maxwell ignored that the Suns EM field extends all the way to the Earths surface with enough magnitude to illuminate the surface .
For the same reason that he ignored the Irish Question - it's not relevant to the mathematics. But Maxwell's equations do at least predict that the sun's EM field will extend to infinity in all directions, which is a pretty good approximation considering that Einstein hadn't been born at the time.
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #62 on: 08/12/2022 15:08:32 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/12/2022 08:41:51
Quote from: DarkKnight on 08/12/2022 05:17:43
I also don't understand why Maxwell ignored that the Suns EM field extends all the way to the Earths surface with enough magnitude to illuminate the surface .
That seems to be one of a long list.
Let's cross one item off it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superposition_principle
Any linear operator from any position can be viewed as x .

Unbounded photons can be viewed to travel at 

c=afc48b56873694f3d43097841ecc3f4f.gif

Any bounded EM fields can be viewed as influenced by the x,y,z operator and the speed the EM field travels is dependent to the bounded bodies speed .



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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #63 on: 08/12/2022 15:10:42 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 08/12/2022 14:22:01
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 08/12/2022 11:46:31
Maxwell treated electric charge as continuum, which can be divided infinitesimally.
No. He merely used the known phenomena of a magnetic field being induced by a moving charge and a potential being induced by a changing magnetic field. He made no assumptions about the nature of either.
What is the equation describing how a magnetic field is induced by a moving charge?
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #64 on: 08/12/2022 15:23:51 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 08/12/2022 14:34:57
But Maxwell's equations do at least predict that the sun's EM field will extend to infinity in all directions, which is a pretty good approximation considering that Einstein hadn't been born at the time.
 

I don't think that is possible because outside of space-time may cause wave-function collapse by the energy being conserved by the empty set
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #65 on: 08/12/2022 15:26:11 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 08/12/2022 14:34:57
But Maxwell's equations do at least predict that the sun's EM field will extend to infinity in all directions, which is a pretty good approximation considering that Einstein hadn't been born at the time.
What did Einstein change?
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #66 on: 08/12/2022 15:37:26 »
Quote from: DarkKnight on 08/12/2022 15:08:32
Any linear operator from any position can be viewed as x .

Unbounded photons can be viewed to travel at 

c=

Any bounded EM fields can be viewed as influenced by the x,y,z operator and the speed the EM field travels is dependent to the bounded bodies speed .

Nonsense equations as always, huh?
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #67 on: 08/12/2022 15:49:26 »
Wow, what happened? We were discussing physics and suddenly on page #4 we were overtaken by gibberish.
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #68 on: 08/12/2022 15:51:21 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 08/12/2022 15:37:26
Quote from: DarkKnight on 08/12/2022 15:08:32
Any linear operator from any position can be viewed as x .

Unbounded photons can be viewed to travel at

c=

Any bounded EM fields can be viewed as influenced by the x,y,z operator and the speed the EM field travels is dependent to the bounded bodies speed .

Nonsense equations as always, huh?
Maxwell used  μ0 and ε0 for an operator , x works just fine.
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Obviously x = 299,792,458 metres

μ0 and ε0 are not a distance , speed is 64ecc27e0ab8d2674c820e833d5ffdd5.gif so μ0 and ε0 must be equal to x .
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #69 on: 08/12/2022 16:18:29 »
Quote from: DarkKnight on 08/12/2022 15:51:21
Maxwell used  μ0 and ε0 for an operator , x works just fine.
Unfortunately your 'math' is nonsense.
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #70 on: 08/12/2022 16:26:31 »
Quote from: Origin on 08/12/2022 16:18:29
Quote from: DarkKnight on 08/12/2022 15:51:21
Maxwell used  μ0 and ε0 for an operator , x works just fine.
Unfortunately your 'math' is nonsense.
Maxwells equations reads

50c15a6b5307e41e40649de1a8ad5584.gif=1

Can you explain where 299,792,458 m/s is derived from that without using x ?
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #71 on: 08/12/2022 16:43:28 »
Quote from: paul cotter on 08/12/2022 15:49:26
Wow, what happened? We were discussing physics and suddenly on page #4 we were overtaken by gibberish.
In trying to understand any subject , it is firstly of most importance to understand the first principles of a subject. Any branch of knowledge that is taught , should always have strong routes , from a starting point to a conclusion . If this basic principle is not adhered to , then the practitioner becomes ill-informed , having an  inadequate awareness of the facts.
Let us now be clear in our understanding of what is a fact compared to interpretation . A fact is something that is known or proved to be true , it is not something that is solely written on paper . A fact has supporting evidence such as observations , a fact can sometimes be an axiom , something that is self evidently true . If we ignore the facts and/or axioms then we are just being subjective as opposed objective. This information is then ill-informed information and can be misleading to a student ,allowing them false ideologies of a subject .
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #72 on: 08/12/2022 16:48:49 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 08/12/2022 15:10:42
What is the equation describing how a magnetic field is induced by a moving charge?
Ampere's Law.
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #73 on: 08/12/2022 16:51:48 »
Quote from: DarkKnight on 08/12/2022 16:43:28
In trying to understand any subject
...it is helpful to listen before talking, or read before writing. The essence of science is humility in the face of established facts.
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #74 on: 08/12/2022 17:03:50 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 08/12/2022 16:51:48
Quote from: DarkKnight on 08/12/2022 16:43:28
In trying to understand any subject
...it is helpful to listen before talking, or read before writing. The essence of science is humility in the face of established facts.
I have always listened and remain humble . It is helpful if science listened occasionally, Maxwells equation for the speed of light reads

50c15a6b5307e41e40649de1a8ad5584.gif=1

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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #75 on: 08/12/2022 17:16:29 »
Not the Maxwell who attended my alma mater, then. Sorry I don't know anything about yours.
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #76 on: 08/12/2022 17:25:28 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 08/12/2022 17:16:29
Not the Maxwell who attended my alma mater, then. Sorry I don't know anything about yours.
Then can you explain your input value for the bracketed part of Maxwells equation ?

c = 1/(μ0ε0)

I read 0
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #77 on: 08/12/2022 18:08:53 »
Quote from: DarkKnight on 08/12/2022 17:03:50
Maxwells equation for the speed of light reads

1/0=1
No, it does not.
Quote from: DarkKnight on 08/12/2022 17:25:28
c = 1/(μ0ε0)
Should be
1/√(μ0ε0)
The subscript zeroes tell you that the permittivity and permeability are the values for a vacuum rather than anything else.
Quote from: DarkKnight on 08/12/2022 17:03:50
It is helpful if science listened occasionally
In what way does it help if science listens, when you don't?
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #78 on: 08/12/2022 18:21:10 »
Different Maxwell, like I said.

Mine used old cgs units but in SI we have

μ0 ≈ 1.26 x 10-6 H/m and

ε0 ≈ 8.85 x 10-12 F/m

It is left as an exercise to the reader to determine the value and dimensions of their product.
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Re: Is there an experiment that shows the oscillation in the E field of light?
« Reply #79 on: 08/12/2022 19:10:15 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/12/2022 18:08:53

Should be
1/√(μ0ε0)
The subscript zeroes tell you that the permittivity and permeability are the values for a vacuum rather than anything else.

  I am well aware of what the values mean but in regards to the measure of the speed of anything , c437fa744de24ee33621872064351a35.gif is required . Where is the d/t value in the equation ?
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