[Bored chemist]

Quote from: Yaniv on 06/01/2023 14:22:46
In my theory the size of the earth is balanced by opposing forces; gravity and pressure.
That's pretty close to correct.

https://twitter.com/Yaniv_Stern/status/1612007997441556481/photo/1

I would prefer it if you didn't associate a quote from me with a picture of a fairy tale.

You seem not to have understood what I meant.
You say "the size of the earth is balanced by opposing forces; gravity and pressure."
Well,- yes.
And the same is true of a table.
If I make a table out of a piece of wood exactly 5 cm thick and I cut the legs to be exactly 95 cm long then the table will be slightly less than 100 cm tall because the legs will be shortened slightly by the weight of the table-top.

The same is true of the earth.
It is slightly compressed by its own weight.

The effect is small.
But the important thing is that the force of gravity has been shown to be practically constant for at least as long as the earth has existed.
So, since the earth formed and settled down, it has stayed more or less the same size. (It will grow and shrink slightly with changes in temperature).

The magical nonsense you are talking about has nothing to do with reality.

[Yaniv (OP)]

So the 'biblical flood' occurred before people or even mammals existed?  The flood you are describing seems different than the flood depicted in the bible.

There was a great flood. We crawled out of it in the Devonian.

[Bored chemist]

We crawled out of it in the Devonian.

Our distant ancestors did, but humans didn't.

[Origin]

There was a great flood.

What evidence do you have of this?

[Yaniv (OP)]

There was a great flood.

What evidence do you have of this?

Glacial deposits from snowball earth (dropstones & moraines) were formed by mudflows under water. In time, the mud compacted and cemented into rocks.

[Bored chemist]

There was a great flood.

What evidence do you have of this?

Glacial deposits from snowball earth (dropstones & moraines) were formed by wet mudflows under water. In time, the mud dried up and cemented into rocks.

That's evidence of many small floods, not one big one.
Do you not realise that, if there was actually scientific evidence for the "biblical" flood, it wouldn't be "biblical"?

[Origin]

Glacial deposits from snowball earth (dropstones & moraines) were formed by wet mudflows under water.

How can moraines be both 'glacial deposits' and 'wet mudflows under water'?

[Yaniv (OP)]

Glacial deposits from snowball earth (dropstones & moraines) were formed by wet mudflows under water.

How can moraines be both 'glacial deposits' and 'wet mudflows under water'?

I believe dropstones and moraines from late proterozoic rocks have been formed by mud flows under water. In time the mud was compacted and cemented into stone.
Many geologists interpret dropstones and moraines from late proterozoic rocks as evidence for Snowball Earth. Not in my theory.

[Origin]

I believe dropstones and moraines from late proterozoic rocks have been formed from wet mud flows under water.

Beliefs are nice, but this is a science site, so evidence is what we are looking for.
You also don't need to point out that things that are under water are wet.

Many geologists interpret these rocks as evidence for Snowball Earth. Not in my theory.

You still don't have a theory, you have a conjecture.

[The Spoon]

Glacial deposits from snowball earth (dropstones & moraines) were formed by wet mudflows under water.

How can moraines be both 'glacial deposits' and 'wet mudflows under water'?

I believe dropstones and moraines from late proterozoic rocks have been formed from wet mud flows under water. As sea levels dropped sedimentary mud beds dried up and hardened into rocks.
Many geologists interpret these rocks as evidence for Snowball Earth. Not in my theory.

Which geologists? Provide references.

[Yaniv (OP)]

Which geologists? Provide references.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth

[Colin2B]

Glacial deposits from snowball earth (dropstones & moraines) were formed by wet mudflows under water.

Mudflows underwater have a very different flow pattern to those on land.
The flow underwater does not form moraines in the same patterns as formed by glaciers. This is particularly true of terminal and lateral moraines which are similar to debris piled up by either a bulldozer or plough where the ice has displaced the debris and then melted. This pattern does not occur underwater because the saturated mud does not pile in the same way, but is flatter; also there is no equivalent of ice to melt and leave isolated piles.

[Yaniv (OP)]

My theory posits the sun was hotter in the past and discards faint young sun paradoxes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faint_young_Sun_paradox

[Bored chemist]

My theory

You don't have a theory, you have a conjecture.

also has an error.

You don't have a theory.
Stop pretending you do.

You still don't have a theory, you have a conjecture.

Please stop telling the lie that you have a theory.

[Kryptid]

My theory posits the sun was hotter in the past and discards faint young sun paradoxes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faint_young_Sun_paradox

You still haven't addressed this:

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/new-clues-about-how-ancient-galaxies-lit-up-the-universe

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that this study is evidence for brighter stars 13 billion years ago, that in no way contradicts the study I posted. What I posted shows that there is no evidence for a change in the gravitational constant over the past 9 billion years, whereas this link you posted is about a time period well before that. The Earth has only been around for about 4.5 billion years. So the study I posted earlier covers the entire time that Earth has been here while the one you posted does not.

[Yaniv (OP)]

There was a great flood.

What evidence do you have of this?

Most fossils form in water when organisms are buried under a thick layer of mud. Fossils of marine animals such as trilobites and ammonites are found on all continents indicating during the paleozoic and mesozoic eras large parts of the continents must have been submerged under the sea.   

[Bored chemist]

There was a great flood.

What evidence do you have of this?

Most fossils form in water when organisms are buried under a thick layer of mud. Fossils of marine animals such as trilobites and ammonites are found on all continents indicating during the paleozoic and mesozoic eras large parts of the continents must have been submerged under the sea.   

That's evidence of many small floods, not one big one.
Do you not realise that, if there was actually scientific evidence for the "biblical" flood, it wouldn't be "biblical"?

[Yaniv (OP)]

That's evidence of many small floods, not one big one.

Where is the rest of the water ?

[Bored chemist]

There was roughly as much water then as there is today.
Most of  it is in oceans and seas.

Why did you not realise that?

[Yaniv (OP)]

There was roughly as much water then as there is today.
Most of  it is in oceans and seas.

Why did you not realise that?

Did you read the age of the ocean basins ? The oceans did not exist before the mesozoic era.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=ujTaSEBh&id=69837669841F54336997C97E460E92111A8F1AFB&thid=OIP.ujTaSEBh-qlpH905DQEqTQHaEc&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.thoughtco.com%2fthmb%2f5x28WHk9dBDittWH5buj2R0o9_k%3d%2f2560x1539%2ffilters%3afill(auto%2c1)%2f2008_age_of_oceans_noplates-58b5a1943df78cdcd87e6818.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.ba34da484061faa9691fdd390d012a4d%3frik%3d%252bxqPGhGSDkZ%252byQ%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=1539&expw=2560&q=age+of+seafloor&simid=608043416895315159&FORM=IRPRST&ck=4344573AB4BD3C73F1C16AF6B7A9F51C&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0