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Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« on: 02/02/2023 15:45:36 »
The following paragraph is from the larger text New horizons in physics (search for the text in google):

Galactical model of subquark particles

Electrons, quarks and gluons possess internal structure, consist of quadrillion of particles of size about 10^-35 m [they correspond with photons], these then from quadrillion of particles about 10^-50 m [they correspond with gravitons]. To confirm legitimacy of assuming of hypothesis of internal structure of smallest from hitherto known structural subatomic particles as electrons, quarks and gluons it can be invoked the theory of science created by A.Comte (see after text Comte's Theory of Science).



diagram. Galatical model


Every following field uses in a large extent from previous, sociology from biology - theory of evolution, biology from chemistry - an example biochemistry, chemistry from physics - even if structure of atom and periodic table, physics from astronomy. Invoking astronomy it can be in physics reach eg. conception of existence of atoms and their internal structure - stars, planets, planetary system. It can be also reach models applied in conception of subquark particles and QG. It is galactical and cosmical models. Mystery of dark matter can be explained in this way that preonical particles possess mass (the above part of this paragraph is from year 2014).
A more careful analysis of the galactical model leads to the conclusion that there are more types of particles of the right type. Types of stars, by supergiants, giants, dwarfs, all the way to the supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy would correspond to the types of these particles. Cosmical model analysis leads to similar conclusions, where the types of particles would correspond to the appropriate types of galaxies.
In addition, it can be assumed that there are types of photon-like particles and corresponding waves with significantly higher speeds than the speed of light. So there are non-electromagnetic waves far above the speed of light (the above part of this paragraph is from year 2019).
Particles much faster than photons are related to the cosmical model and sizes in the order of 10^-50m. One can imagine building devices equipped with antennas for superelectromagnetic communication. The speed of such communication would be enormous, for example, communication with a base on Pluto could take less than a second.
Main particle from the galactical model will correspond to a supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy. Perhaps quarks are made of such particles. One can also consider the hypothesis that these particles are micro black holes that have ended their lives as particles, by evaporating. These evaporating micro black holes can produce all the particles from the galactical model (compare stars in the galaxy), which would be consistent with the fact of the galaxy's rotation, i.e. the dependence of all particles on the main particle of the model. The only issue is that these particles can also be building blocks of, for example, quarks. However, the probability of a micro black hole (black star) existing as the model's main particle is very high.
The bonds of particles from the galactic model and higher models are probably - like quark-gluon bonds - indecomposable. There are three types of galaxies, spiral, elliptical and irregular, just as there are three kinds of particles, electrons, quarks and gluons. The largest particles in the galactic model would correspond to hypergiant stars, these particles are also candidates for the components of quarks (the above part of this paragraph is from year 2023).

author of text: Gregory Podgorniak, Poland

about the author, My name is Gregory Podgorniak (brn. 01.1977, Szczecinek, West Pomerania, Poland). I am working on field of natural as well as social sciences. During philosophical studies at Adam Mickiewicz University in Poznan (1996-1999) I was actively act in student scientific organisation, got a scientific scholarship, and one from my articles titled Circulus vitiosus and fourfold petitio principii in the system of Descartes was published in Humanistic Drafts of Publishing House of Humaniora Foundation in Poznan, no. 6, 1998. Unfortunately certain fate events made impossible to me continuing studies to master's and later doctor's degree. Thence I was forced to be content only with a title of bachelor.
Thanks to deep and penetrating researchings I was able to establish indisputably some number of my past incarnations reaching of ancient period, these data are certain, these incarnations are: Auguste Comte (1798-1857) French philosopher and sociologist, Edme Mariotte (1620-1684) French physicist and meteorologist, Aenesidemus (1 st century BC) Greek sceptical philosopher, Arcesilaus (315-241 BC) Greek sceptical philosopher, Gorgias (485-380 BC) Greek sophist.

email contact: podgorniakgre@gmail.com

see these my threads on this forum:

Return of Hitler, World war lll, nuclear warfare -
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=87090.0
How to raise your IQ, how to achieve higher IQ, how to get higher IQ ? - https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=86231.0
Newest Quantum Gravity and Theory of Everything, TOE -
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=86332.0
Solving the puzzle of wave-particle duality, solution of this problem -
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=86561.0
New horizons in Science book in PDF format -
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=87402.0
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #1 on: 02/02/2023 20:22:31 »
Nonsense, yet again.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #2 on: 03/02/2023 07:52:58 »
the paragraph supplementing the text from the first post, is from 2019:

A more careful analysis of the galactical model leads to the conclusion that there are more types of particles of the right type. Types of stars, by supergiants, giants, dwarfs, all the way to the black star (black hole, see paragraph 11) would correspond to the types of these particles. Cosmical model analysis leads to similar conclusions, where the types of particles would correspond to the appropriate types of galaxies.
In addition, it can be assumed that there are types of photon-like particles and corresponding waves with significantly higher speeds than the speed of light. So there are non-electromagnetic waves far above the speed of light.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #3 on: 03/02/2023 07:56:44 »
Quote from: paul cotter on 02/02/2023 20:22:31
Nonsense

This discovery is even greater than the Bohr model
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #4 on: 03/02/2023 11:27:31 »
Quote from: cpu68 on 03/02/2023 07:56:44
Quote from: paul cotter on 02/02/2023 20:22:31
Nonsense

This discovery is even greater than the Bohr model

It is not a discovery. It is just something you thought up AKA a brain fart.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #5 on: 03/02/2023 12:35:23 »
"Electron" comes from the Greek ελεκτρον, meaning amber. Modern electrons are made from νψλον, meaning nylon, which is lighter and does not decay.

Humans cannot synthesise protons but rely on plant and other animal sources.
 
The action of helicobacter pylorii converts proteins into hydrogen.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #6 on: 03/02/2023 14:04:44 »
Quote from: cpu68 on 03/02/2023 07:52:58
In addition, it can be assumed that there are types of photon-like particles and corresponding waves with significantly higher speeds than the speed of light. So there are non-electromagnetic waves far above the speed of light.
The excerpt you supplied indicates that the book is pseudoscientific junk.  If you're curious about physics, you should consult reputable sources not silly junk sources.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #7 on: 03/02/2023 16:44:13 »
How would one test this model?
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #8 on: 03/02/2023 17:59:13 »
Quote from: cpu68 on 02/02/2023 15:45:36
The following paragraph is from the larger text New horizons in physics
You should have left it there.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #9 on: 03/02/2023 18:53:19 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 03/02/2023 16:44:13
How would one test this model?

An empirical test of this model is beyond the scope of current technical abilities
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #10 on: 03/02/2023 19:59:53 »
Quote from: cpu68 on 03/02/2023 18:53:19
An empirical test of this model is beyond the scope of current technical abilities
Not much of a model then, is it?
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #11 on: 04/02/2023 10:35:28 »
Quote from: Origin on 03/02/2023 14:04:44
The excerpt you supplied indicates that the book

This is not a book but an article New horizons in physics whose earlier version New perspectives in physics is available on this forum https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=85367.0
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #12 on: 06/02/2023 17:55:47 »
Of the two galacticala and cosmical models, the adoption of the cosmical model seems unquestionable.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #13 on: 06/02/2023 18:00:22 »
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Of the three galactical, cosmical and supercosmical models, the adoption of the supercosmical model seems the most questionable. However, the hypothesis of the existence of many universes seems to be acceptable, and the supercosmic model to some extent justified.
Didi you think that made sense?
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #14 on: 06/02/2023 18:38:49 »
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Didi you think that made sense?

Where do you see no sense here?
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #15 on: 06/02/2023 19:20:08 »
Quote from: cpu68 on 06/02/2023 17:55:47
Of the three galactical, cosmical and supercosmical models, the adoption of the supercosmical model seems the most questionable.


OK
Of the three large, tasty and indigestible meals, the consumption of the indigestible meal seems the most attractive.

The implication of this bit (" the three large, tasty and indigestible meals") is that there are three meals which have those properties.
And then you say that the indigestible one is best.
But they are all indigestible.


And then you have to define the adjectives you used.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #16 on: 07/02/2023 19:54:40 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 06/02/2023 19:20:08
But they are all indigestible.

I think they are all digestible
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #17 on: 08/02/2023 18:25:52 »
Quote from: cpu68 on 07/02/2023 19:54:40
Quote from: Bored chemist on 06/02/2023 19:20:08
But they are all indigestible.

I think they are all digestible
Then why didn't you say so?
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #18 on: 10/02/2023 13:25:31 »
My next remark is that particles much faster than photons are related to the cosmic model and sizes in the order of 10^-50 m.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #19 on: 10/02/2023 13:31:00 »
What is the mass of one of thee particles?
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