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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #20 on: 10/02/2023 15:10:56 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 10/02/2023 13:31:00
What is the mass of one of thee particles?

I have no such estimates
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #21 on: 10/02/2023 15:17:15 »
Not a very scientific hypothesis, then.

Do let us know when you have done the arithmetic.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #22 on: 10/02/2023 23:01:04 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 10/02/2023 13:31:00
What is the mass of one of thee particles?
shouldn’t that be “thy particles”?
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #23 on: 13/02/2023 14:40:40 »
Perhaps particles much faster than photons are related to the cosmical model.
« Last Edit: 12/05/2023 17:50:33 by cpu68 »
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #24 on: 13/02/2023 15:07:34 »
Quote from: cpu68 on 13/02/2023 14:40:40
Perhaps particles much faster than photons are also related to the supercosmical model,
More likely, actually MUCH more likely is that particles faster than photons do not exist.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #25 on: 15/02/2023 10:09:22 »
Quote from: Origin on 13/02/2023 15:07:34
More likely, actually MUCH more likely is that particles faster than photons do not exist.

If we accept two models of subquark particles, galactical and cosmical, then the hypothesis about the existence of particles faster than photons seems to be justified.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #26 on: 15/02/2023 14:03:17 »
Quote from: cpu68 on 15/02/2023 10:09:22
If we accept three models of subquark particles, galactical, cosmical and supercosmical, then the hypothesis about the existence of particles faster than photons seems to be justified.
But there's no reason to accept, "three models of subquark particles, galactical, cosmical and supercosmical", therefore your hypothesis is based on nothing and can be dismissed. 
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #27 on: 17/02/2023 16:38:11 »
Do you have any evidence at all to support your model?
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #28 on: 17/02/2023 17:19:24 »
Who needs evidence?

Science used to be about facts and tests, but nowadays it's all about models, and if the predictions are wrong it's not the fault of the model but  "factors beyond our control".

Are you a Denier?
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #29 on: 22/02/2023 14:10:17 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 17/02/2023 16:38:11
Do you have any evidence at all to support your model?

There would be evidence, you just have to look for them, although the empirical test of these three models, as I said, seems to be beyond the reach of current technical abilities
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #30 on: 22/02/2023 16:49:59 »
Quote from: cpu68 on 22/02/2023 14:10:17
empirical test of these three models, as I said, seems to be beyond the reach of current technical abilities
So... no evidence then.
Why not just say so?
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #31 on: 23/02/2023 12:49:14 »
Quote from: cpu68 on 22/02/2023 14:10:17
Quote from: Kryptid on 17/02/2023 16:38:11
Do you have any evidence at all to support your model?

There would be evidence, you just have to look for them, although the empirical test of these three models, as I said, seems to be beyond the reach of current technical abilities

If there is currently no evidence, then why should we believe that it is correct?
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #32 on: 24/02/2023 15:06:01 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 23/02/2023 12:49:14
If there is currently no evidence, then why should we believe that it is correct?

A strong argument in favor of the galactic model, followed by the cosmic model, is the Bohr-style model of the atom based on the planetary system. Among other things, Comte's theory of science implies the assumption that physics can draw models from astronomy. If a planetary system has proven to be a useful model, so should a galaxy. It was just a matter of what the galactic model might look like.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #33 on: 24/02/2023 23:07:20 »
Quote from: cpu68 on 24/02/2023 15:06:01
A strong argument in favor of the galactic model, followed by the cosmic and supercosmic model, is the Bohr-style model of the atom based on the planetary system.

It's not a strong argument. The planetary model of the atom was incorrect. Electrons do not orbit the nucleus in the way that planets orbit the Sun.

Quote from: cpu68 on 24/02/2023 15:06:01
Among other things, Comte's theory of science implies the assumption that physics can draw models from astronomy. If a planetary system has proven to be a useful model, so should a galaxy. It was just a matter of what the galactic model might look like.

That doesn't imply that electrons are made up of quadrillions of smaller particles.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #34 on: 26/02/2023 09:45:37 »
Main particle from the galactical model will correspond to a supermassive black star (black hole, see paragraph 10) at the center of the galaxy. Perhaps quarks are made of such particles.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #35 on: 26/02/2023 14:16:09 »
Quote from: cpu68 on 26/02/2023 09:45:37
Main particle from the galactical model will correspond to a supermassive black star (black hole, see paragraph 10) at the center of the galaxy. Perhaps quarks are made of such particles.

Why should we assume that?
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #36 on: 28/02/2023 14:47:14 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 26/02/2023 14:16:09
Why should we assume that?

Because the supermassive black star (black hole) in the center of the galaxy occupies a distinguished place and can be said to be the main object in the galaxy
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #37 on: 28/02/2023 16:28:47 »
Quote from: cpu68 on 28/02/2023 14:47:14
Quote from: Kryptid on 26/02/2023 14:16:09
Why should we assume that?

Because the supermassive black star (black hole) in the center of the galaxy occupies a distinguished place and can be said to be the main object in the galaxy

That doesn't sound like a good reason to assume that such logic also applies to particles.
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #38 on: 07/03/2023 14:44:27 »
Main particle from the galactical model will correspond to a supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy. Perhaps quarks are made of such particles (In the new version of the text, I abandoned the concept of a black star and a black hyperstar).
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Re: Structure of electrons, quarks and gluons; preon, preons
« Reply #39 on: 07/03/2023 18:45:04 »
Quote from: cpu68 on 07/03/2023 14:44:27
Main particle from the galactical model will correspond to a supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy. Perhaps quarks are made of such particles (In the new version of the text, I abandoned the concept of a black star and a black hyperstar).
You're not making any sense.
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