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Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?

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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #20 on: 04/04/2023 04:37:59 »
Now in terms of biology and the brain, is there any research or study on adjusting the rate which our consciousness perceives time?

We know that while we sleep this happens in terms of thoughts, but I don't know about body parts functions.
The assumption is, the higher our perception of time goes (while we are awake) the stronger our body parts need to be, no doubt that all body parts will need to function faster, and the lungs, muscles and the heart all need to be stronger to be able to function faster.

How many more fps (of consciousness rate) would our current body parts withstand with their current structure, and would we be able to make them stronger?
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #21 on: 04/04/2023 06:54:27 »
Thinking rates and reaction times have the capacity to be much, much higher than they are now. At least, in terms of the limits of physics. Nerve impulses travel only on the order of hundreds of kilometers per hour (if memory serves). The speed of light, by contrast, is around 300,000 kilometers per second. Artificial intelligence based on a photonic computer could thus think many orders of magnitude faster than us.
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #22 on: 04/04/2023 13:23:02 »
Quote from: evan_au on 03/04/2023 22:24:06
Remove a spoonful of this solid, and it will have the mass of a mountain - not enough gravity to move very much
I think you overlooked the inverse square law.
All of the teaspoonful is within a few cm of the rest of it.
I think it would have time to "fall" into a sphere before radiation destroyed it.
There's nothing else much causing it to expand.

It would, very quickly, be "evaporated" by the heat generated by its own decay.

But my fundamental point was that you don't get to decide what shape it is, so you can't "make" anything out of it unless you want a super-dense marble. (or spheroid, if you spin it).

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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #23 on: 04/04/2023 17:45:43 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 04/04/2023 06:54:27
Artificial intelligence based on a photonic computer could thus think many orders of magnitude faster than us.
Only if it can employ massively parallel processing and content-addressable memory. And then what do you do with the result? You can't move anything faster than the speed of sound in your arms.
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #24 on: 04/04/2023 21:03:57 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 04/04/2023 17:45:43
And then what do you do with the result? You can't move anything faster than the speed of sound in your arms.

Perhaps not, but thinking that fast could still make you an excellent free style rapper.
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #25 on: 04/04/2023 23:23:26 »
Superman can apply reactionless force, which is a blatant violation of physics. Reactionless force allows one to appear to have super strength when in fact strength is only needed to transmit force reaction to other parts. This is why the 6 million dollar man was impossible. Sure, he had this strong arm, but to lift something heavy he'd need an I-beam from arm to legs instead of a human spine.
Superman needs none of this. He can just apply reactionless force at his fingertips and not even expend effort on the rest of his body.
All the talk about neutron star stuff and other strong materials is irrelevant to something which can apply reactionless force.

I really don't like the X-ray vision because it's made to be something that he does rather than something he detects. Sure, if he can emit some kind of penetrating radiation, he can cook eggs by looking at them, but he can't tell when they're done that way. He can't tell if Lois has cancer, but he can certainly make sure she does.
It's like trying to eavesdrop on the conversation inside the building over there by screaming at them. Doesn't work that way.

Quote from: aasimz on 04/04/2023 04:37:59
How many more fps (of consciousness rate)
Our brains don't really process fps. It isn't a camera with a shutter. We can detect frame rates (blinking lights say) slower than a certain level, but that's different than actually processing vision in a series of frames.

Yes, a machine can have a vastly quicker reaction time to external stimuli than can a person, so no violation for superman to have better reflexes.

Quote from: alancalverd on 04/04/2023 17:45:43
You can't move anything faster than the speed of sound in your arms.
I don't see where this restriction comes from. I mean sure, I can't think of an animal which can accelerate a part of itself to supersonic speeds relative to another part of it, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. Machines do it.
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #26 on: 05/04/2023 04:57:51 »
Quote from: Halc on 04/04/2023 23:23:26
Our brains don't really process fps. It isn't a camera with a shutter.

I certainly know that,  :)
but since there is no unit of measurement for the rate of which we perceive time which I know of, I used the eyes vision frame rate, my thoughts were since all our senses agree in the rate, (no delay or difference) it resulted in our consciousness perception of time which is coordinated with all senses including the brain's transmitting/processing speed, which generated a perception that is equal to the rate of our vision, which is told to be variated from 40 to 60 fps as the body needed. So, what I am saying here is not actually about the brain speed process as it is about the rate which we perceive time with.

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The assumption is that any being that can see in higher frame rates will need higher brain process speed to process more data at the same time and must reflect on him having a higher perception of time.

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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #27 on: 05/04/2023 23:08:53 »
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_fusion_threshold

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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #28 on: 06/04/2023 04:16:40 »
Hi.

Quote from: aasimz on 04/04/2023 04:37:59
Now in terms of biology and the brain, is there any research or study on adjusting the rate which our consciousness perceives time?
   Yes.     Here's a wikipedia link that should start you off in the right direction.   It has many references to more authoritative texts within it, if you are really keen to get more information.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_perception#

If you want to make your own search of the internet then  "Chronoception" and  "Tachypsychia" might be keywords worth including,  although  "time perception" can also get you results.

     From a biological or physiological stand point,   adrenaline and noradrenaline are the most obvious things to consider (these can also be called "epinephrine" and "norepinephrine").    These are natural substances released by the human body as part of what is usually called the fight or flight reaction.   Quite a bit of research exists to suggest that subjective time (how long you think it has been between two events in your surrounding) is dilated relative to the actual real time that has elapsed.   This is just saying what you probably already know form your own personal experiences:   When you are adrenalized, then external time seems to slow down,  you can do slightly more physical things in 1 real second and you can also complete more thinking or reasoning tasks in 1 real second.
   NOTE that there is a counter-argument and research that opposes the time dilation effect of adrenaline:   The time dilation may be a retrospective phenomena - specifically the fear or anxiety has made you more aware and your memory of the incident is stronger.   You may just be creating very strong and detailed memories of everything you saw, heard or thought about during the time you were adrenalized.   You are then falsely interpreting the amount of information you have available for the incident as an indication of how much time it must have taken and how much information you would usually have for events of that timescale.   You may not have thought about anything faster than usual, you just have a much more detailed memory of it.

    Next on the list are other stimulants and for the opposite effect (making your subjective time contracted relative to real time), then research seems to be available suggesting that some sedatives do create that effect.    The Wikipedia article has all the references for this.

Best Wishes.
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #29 on: 06/04/2023 07:41:41 »
Thank you for the useful references, I promise you will go through them. meanwhile...

Quote from: Eternal Student on 06/04/2023 04:16:40
You are then falsely interpreting the amount of information you have available for the incident as an indication of how much time it must have taken and how much information you would usually have for events of that timescale.   You may not have thought about anything faster than usual, you just have a much more detailed memory of it.

I have experienced critical situations (accidents or others) throughout my life myself, but not once did I feel time was moving slower! So, nothing here is based on my personal experience. Okay, that been said, I just learned about some of what you mentioned here yesterday when I was reading this article (below link), and I was astonished by the fact that people have been reporting experiencing that! to the point where they had to do research on the matter?

https://www.arrowheadclinic.com/category/blog/car-accidents-slow-motion

I was searching online to see if there were any research results that would show any change of vision rate in relation to the times of adrenaline rush. couldn't find any, but instead I found the above article, I find it remarkably interesting!

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Didn't research conclude that bees and flies have a higher perception of time than us? and we are moving slow for them?
Isn't that also why it is tough to hit a pigeon with a speeding car? (Said to be around 140 fps vision rate for some birds)
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #30 on: 06/04/2023 10:55:07 »
Quote from: Halc on 04/04/2023 23:23:26
I don't see where this restriction comes from.
The muscles of my arm are attached to my forearm and elbow.
No matter how hard they pull, the "signal" to move my hand travels down my forearm at the speed of sound in the bone.
Applying larger forces just bends the bone more (until it breaks).

Technically, you might be able to get my hand moving faster, but only if I could rotate the elbow freely and yet still accelerate it.

The same idea is usually presented as "if I had a really long rod and I rotate it (like a majorette twirling a baton), why doesn't the tip of the rod move faster than light?"
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #31 on: 06/04/2023 18:24:17 »
Quote from: Zer0 on 05/04/2023 23:08:53
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_fusion_threshold

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Makes you wonder if our perception of time increace as we become larger. Is childhood a significantly different  time frame.  It does seem the smaller the animal the faster it moves, time you would logically think is similarly different.
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #32 on: 06/04/2023 20:42:05 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 06/04/2023 18:24:17
Makes you wonder if our perception of time increace as we become larger.

You mean decrease, right? as you perceive more of "time" when you are smaller.

Just found about another superhero, he is called Ant-man, he can be ridiculously small and exceptionally large,
When he is small, he moves extremely fast, and things seem to move slow for him, and when he is huge, he is awfully slow.
 
Interesting, ha, must be based on the concept discussed here.

PS:
if you remember, in my original post I mentioned:
Quote from: aasimz on 01/04/2023 01:23:09
but is it possible for any brain to accommodate such high frame rates (120,000 fps and above)? especially a big brain?
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #33 on: 10/04/2023 21:16:09 »
At times, i Wonder, how does Ant-Man breathe in a Sub Microscopic Environment.
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Personally, i like QuickSilver alot!
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #34 on: 10/04/2023 23:37:06 »
Quote from: aasimz on 06/04/2023 20:42:05
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 06/04/2023 18:24:17
Makes you wonder if our perception of time increace as we become larger.

You mean decrease, right?
Any way you wish to read it.
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #35 on: 18/04/2023 23:13:38 »
Quote from: Zer0 on 10/04/2023 21:16:09
At times, i Wonder, how does Ant-Man breathe in a Sub Microscopic Environment.
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Ya, and BTW, does he get to the level where he is smaller than a protein molecule? That would be impossible to explain.
I heard a new movie is out for Ant-Man, I must watch that.

Quote from: Zer0 on 10/04/2023 21:16:09
Personally, i like QuickSilver alot!

I had never heard about him before, but in a quick search it looked like his superpower is speed. but I am sure they have not considered the immense pressure required to do such high speeds just like in superman.
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #36 on: 19/04/2023 12:16:54 »
Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
Short answer, No.
Long answer
Still no.
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #37 on: 19/04/2023 21:19:18 »
@OP

Hope you are keeping Well.
Stay Safe & Secure...
& Just hang on tight in there..
Even this shall Pass.
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #38 on: 20/04/2023 01:05:56 »
Quote from: Zer0 on 19/04/2023 21:19:18
@OP

Hope you are keeping Well.
Stay Safe & Secure...
& Just hang on tight in there..
Even this shall Pass.
☮️

Thank you very much for your concerns. We live in Khartoum, the war is still going, so far, my family is safe, today an air strike hit two blocks away from us. It's terrifying. The most terrifying thing for me is the fact that I am not with them. (I am now in Saudia Arabia).
My wife and kids, my parents, two of my brothers, and their families, they are all trapped in the same building in Khartoum (our home) they have good supplies, but it won't last forever. I hope they will just stop this anarchy immediately.
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Re: Can a being with a strength like Superman exist?
« Reply #39 on: 20/04/2023 05:12:19 »
Hi.

   I hadn''t noticed your location was listed as Sudan until after @Zer0 's post.   The situation at the moment sounds awfull and I'm sure everyone wishes you well.



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