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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #60 on: 26/06/2023 02:52:01 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 26/06/2023 02:45:29
An undetectable aether? Your understanding of my question is off.

So can you elaborate on what you meant?

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I don't really care about studying the history of these things, or what they've grown into. It offends me.

...and why would the history of something offend you?

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I hate that intelligent people are collected from birth to keep this crap wheel institution togather!?!

Do you have evidence for this claim?

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Highly offensive IMO and does evil unto man's heart.

How so?

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Go offend someone else with your 'empirical' knowledge on these subjects.

It makes no sense for you to be offended by evidence.

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Don't waste my time anymore please and thank you.

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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #61 on: 26/06/2023 12:13:29 »
The OP has just thrown the toys out of the pram.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #62 on: 08/07/2023 23:18:56 »
Does a magnetic field extend from the electric shell of the atom? any thoughts?
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #63 on: 09/07/2023 03:51:34 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 08/07/2023 23:18:56
Does a magnetic field extend from the electric shell of the atom? any thoughts?

If by "electric shell" you mean "electron shell", then the answer is yes.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #64 on: 09/07/2023 11:52:03 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 08/07/2023 23:18:56
Does a magnetic field extend from the electric shell of the atom? any thoughts?
If you have a single hydrogen atom on its own, the magnetic field has three components.
The electron has a magnetic moment,
so does the proton and
the orbital momentum of the electron, together with its charge provides a third.

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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #65 on: 11/07/2023 02:34:05 »
Okay then would you agree that the electric shell is hot? and the magnetic field a tapering of this heat?
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #66 on: 11/07/2023 05:57:43 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 11/07/2023 02:34:05
Okay then would you agree that the electric shell is hot?

That's kind of a tricky question. The electrons in the shells around an atom are, in some sense, moving. I wouldn't think this is the same kind of movement that would exist in, say, a hot gas where molecules bump into each other. The electrons are more like standing waves.

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and the magnetic field a tapering of this heat?

No, magnetic fields are basically electric fields viewed from a different reference frame (if I understand correctly). A moving electric charge produces a magnetic field as a result of relativity.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #67 on: 11/07/2023 08:37:13 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 11/07/2023 02:34:05
Okay then would you agree that the electric shell is hot?
No.
That makes  no sense.
What I said about a hydrogen atom is still true even if you cool it to practically absolute zero.



Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 11/07/2023 02:34:05
and the magnetic field a tapering of this heat?
Obviously, since no heat is involved, that's wrong.
But the idea of "tapering heat" is meaningless anyway.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #68 on: 13/07/2023 20:32:33 »
So from your guys studies there's no information linking temperature with: the electric shell, the magnetic field, or the aether or whatever you want to call it?

I guess absolute zero is the pure temperature of the aether at our distance from the nucleus of the universe. Theoretically there is no minimum of maximum temperature?
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #69 on: 13/07/2023 20:54:14 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 13/07/2023 20:32:33
I guess absolute zero is the pure temperature of the aether
Since the aether doesn't exist, it doesn't have a temperature.
So your guess is wrong.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #70 on: 13/07/2023 21:18:29 »
Electric shells repel when they touch because electricity is made of heat and heat conducts in one direction, towards equilibrium. So the two electric shells repel because of heat's quality of conducting. When a larger atom like oxygen bonds with a smaller atom like hydrogen, the hydrogen has a weaker electric shell and the retraction of the magnetic field back into the shell from the gravity of the molecular bond would be stronger for the smaller atom's in the bond.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #71 on: 13/07/2023 21:22:20 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 13/07/2023 21:18:29
Electric shells repel when they touch because electricity is made of heat and heat conducts in one direction, towards equilibrium. So the two electric shells repel because of heat's quality of conducting. When a larger atom like oxygen bonds with a smaller atom like hydrogen, the hydrogen has a weaker electric shell and the retraction of the magnetic field back into the shell from the gravity of the molecular bond would be stronger for the smaller atom's in the bond.
No.
That doesn't make sense either.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #72 on: 13/07/2023 22:17:29 »
I think trevorjohnson is ChatGPT, thinly disguised. The Highland cattle a few fields away generate useful BS, look pretty,  and are good to eat.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #73 on: 14/07/2023 02:44:08 »

Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/07/2023 21:22:20
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 13/07/2023 21:18:29
Electric shells repel when they touch because electricity is made of heat and heat conducts in one direction, towards equilibrium. So the two electric shells repel because of heat's quality of conducting. When a larger atom like oxygen bonds with a smaller atom like hydrogen, the hydrogen has a weaker electric shell and the retraction of the magnetic field back into the shell from the gravity of the molecular bond would be stronger for the smaller atom's in the bond.
No.
That doesn't make sense either.
what?: repulsion, the other thing
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #74 on: 14/07/2023 04:09:14 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 14/07/2023 02:44:08
what?: repulsion, the other thing

Electricity isn't made of heat. Molecular bonds don't have anything to do with gravity.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #75 on: 14/07/2023 08:24:20 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 14/07/2023 02:44:08

Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/07/2023 21:22:20
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 13/07/2023 21:18:29
Electric shells repel when they touch because electricity is made of heat and heat conducts in one direction, towards equilibrium. So the two electric shells repel because of heat's quality of conducting. When a larger atom like oxygen bonds with a smaller atom like hydrogen, the hydrogen has a weaker electric shell and the retraction of the magnetic field back into the shell from the gravity of the molecular bond would be stronger for the smaller atom's in the bond.
No.
That doesn't make sense either.
what?: repulsion, the other thing
None of it makes sense.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #76 on: 14/07/2023 08:25:24 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 13/07/2023 22:17:29
I think trevorjohnson is ChatGPT, thinly disguised.
He's not that good.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #77 on: 14/07/2023 13:42:53 »
This is all pointless, one could have a better discourse with a unicorn( a pink one ).
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #78 on: 14/07/2023 14:52:54 »
Real unicorns are transparent, which is why you have never seen one.

Not entirely fanciful. I played a concert in a church last weekend, and noticed that there were a few life-size Perspex silhouettes of men propped up in some of the pews. It turned out that these are part of the war memorial - the blokes who should be here but aren't. Very effective.
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Re: the forgotten aether,2023
« Reply #79 on: 14/07/2023 19:05:08 »
That must count as one of the most useful bits of information ever to come my way ,Alan. Transparent, hmm, no wonder I could never see them, though I always knew they were there.
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