[crm114]

Hello Observer,

like you I am looking for non-interferon treatment for HepC and with some degree of scepticism embarked on a course of Sodium Chlorite.
I have been taking this since Jan 2009 with short breaks in between. I can report that my AST, ALT and viral load numbers are dropping
consistently over the last 3 blood tests. Prior to this they had been escalating. I do not have the exact figures to hand as I am working
overseas but shall post them when time allows. May I ask what Genotype you have your viral load and what if any other treatment you have
received ? Not sure if this board allows PM'ing but feel free to do so if you wish, I have some other info on non pharma treatments which
are showing positive results.

[Observer]

Hello CRM114,
it is good to hear from someone else with some positive feedback. At this point little can be said about the effectiveness of our personal mms experiences, nevertheless something is happening and at this point seems to be an overall improvement. When I got my first and second lab test the Genotype /viral load was not included. I will have to ask specifically for these counts prior to the next test. It is unfortunate that I don't have a possibility of comparing the viral load at this point. I just returned from beautiful a Norwegian vacation and have not made my next lab appointment. I will post the next results thereafter. I did drop the frequency to which I was self-administering the mms drastically to avoid a possible imbalance of my oxidant/antioxidant intake.
I found an interesting weblink that may be of general interest:

http://www.gesundheitlicheaufklaerung.de/mms-eine-ganzheitliche-therapie [nofollow]
The report is German but maybe I can find an English translation...

[tracar]

WOW this thread has gone from great intentions to bitchfest 2009 wtf..
Bored chemist might now his sh1t but is always referencing someone elses work
on the other hand Observer is dooing what i wish everyone would do a bit more (hands on) and in the future
this is exactly what Bored chemist will reference.

so great job Observer and hope you find at least a neutral to a positive result.

after that said . make sure we all wash our hands clean of all the sh1t, after all these public spankings
and get to the point.

results.

edumication : grade 9
occufication : dooer

[Bored chemist]

I note with mild ammusement that you have chosen to comment on other people's stuff, but not to do any work of your own; a bit like someone who "might know his sh1t but is always referencing someone else's work " .
Meanwhile you commend Observe for valliantly wasting his time in spite of the fact that the "miracle cure" cannot work becaue the "active" ingredient is destroyed too rapidly.

An odd choice for a first post here.

[tracar]

sure thing crazy literal robot man.. its a great thing you were not there to tell our grand parrents they couldn't (do that) and who said anything about a cure, i didn't. but for interests of my own , i would like (your) definition of "cure" and also your definition of a "positive result" not a cut and paste from wikipedia.

and like the meds for Gout :
NSAIDS
colchicine
corticosteroids
ACTH
allopurinol
probenecid

these are by no means a "cure" but if they do have a positive affect or an individual acceptable outcome Great
so now the meds i have listed for the treatment of gout. do you consider any of them them the right choice?
and of those do they have a positive results?

FYI i don't believe in "miracle cure" just +pos "or" -NEG results 
and i wish i did more work of my own. and could be anal about it too
Observer, did i waste your time   i hope i didnt.
Bored chemist if you have something to say to me say it now ,so we all get back to the true topic

now you made a great comment bored :
("miracle cure" cannot work because the "active" ingredient is destroyed too rapidly)

1) question to you is this: what % is destroyed before the body can absorb the remainder .if only for a Minuit, say if taken orally (keep in mind this has nothing to do with anything else)

2)has naturally occurring ClO2 ever been found in any bloodwork

3)would you admit this magical mystical cureall ClO2 has to have some kind of magical mystical anti bacterial characteristics (say as a mouth wash/rinse)

4) whats your thoughts on ozone floating free in the home?

[Bored chemist]

Palliative treatment is OK where there is no cure available as with gout but it's the 3rd best option after prevention and cure.
In the case of an acute infection like malaria the definition of a cure is pretty clear- the parasites are dead and the patient isn't. Did you really need me to explain that?

 

[tracar]

yes.
and im still waiting for some answers




edumication : grade 9
occupication : dooer

[crm114]

Hello Observer,

thanks for the link.
It would be interesting to know on what basis the claim is made that the active ingredient only kills "bad" parasites
but regardless of what ever tests have been performed to determine its efficacy, the proof of the pudding is in the
eating, and if it achieves the desired effect without inducing harmful side-effects then that is good enough for me.
Are you actually using the commercial product MMS or are you simply sourcing the chemical and producing your own medication ?
With how much and how frequently are you dosing ?

Although strictly not related to the current topic, the following link may be useful for HepC sufferers. It links to a medical
trial sponsored in part by non other than Roche, which is using IV Silibinin, the active ingredient in Mariendistel which is
well known anecdotaly to have beneficial effects upon liver disorders. If you (or any other interested persons) would like I
can send the trial results in pdf form.

newbielink:http://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085(08)01412-1/abstract [nonactive]

[mootieman]

I read all about MMS with interest! I have been using MMS in Africa for a number of things and while i cant tell you that thousands have been fixed i can tell you that i have used it to help more than 100 people now. It is very effective against Malaria but also as a general Cold and Flu presenter. The product has been so successful for us that we now manufacture it here and have many smaller rural clinics using it to help when people suffer from anything that relates to bacteria. Be warned it taste is terrible and it smells bad, but you can mix it with water to help get it down. It is extremely powerful and too much too fast will make you very sick so treat with care.

[crm114]

Hello Mootieman,

Interesting development.
Perhaps you can share with us a few more details of your experiences.
Where are you in Africa and in what capacity do administer MMS, are you working in healthcare ?
Do you keep records of your patients symptoms, treatment regimes and results.
If not, and its not too much trouble perhaps you can consider doing this.

[Bored chemist]

yes.
and im still waiting for some answers





edumication : grade 9
occupication : dooer

Your honesty in admitting to not knowing what "cure " means is remarkable and commendable.
I was in the process of posting a more detailed answer yesterday- but my computer crashed.
Anyway.
I haven't done any experiments on the kinetics of the reaction betwee en chlorite/ClO2 and, for example, ascorbate.
However I can point out the the people who wrote the article cited early on in this thread said that the stuff reacts quickly with things like thiols which are common on the gut.
Since the theory- as put forward- is not internally consistent so it clearly isn't science.
I don't need to do the experiments. They have been done for me. It's just that the people who did them didn't understand what the results meant.

I doubt that anyone has ever looked for ClO2 in blood.
I have an interest in natural products chemistry and I cannot think of a single instance of chlorine in a positive oxidation state anywhere in biology.
Obviously I can't claim to have looked everywhere but since you are the one putting forward the strange idea, it's you who has to prove it.

"would you admit this magical mystical cureall ClO2 has to have some kind of magical mystical anti bacterial characteristics (say as a mouth wash/rinse)"
Since magic doesn't exist the answer has to be no.
It might have a straightforward scientifically reasonable effect as an antibacterial- after all it is toxic so it might kill bugs.
The question of whether or not it kills bugs better than it kills people is another matter.

"whats your thoughts on ozone floating free in the home?"
Who cares?
Anyway, ozone smells and is rather toxic so, in general, this is something to avoid. However, it is a useful oxidant and I sometimes use it (at home). Some of it escapes into the air so I sometimes experience ozone floating round my home.
It doesn't seem to make much odds apart from a funny smell.

[tracar]

Wow. presumptuous and computer illiterate all in the same sentence. Were you driving when the crash happend??.
to me it sounds like you would rather demean someone than give (helpfull) advice

have you done any testing with CL02 yourself ,i will assume not.
I have done Many tests. and can say with confidence and without fear of someone trying to debunk my credibility (which isn't much)
that there are definitely benefits to an external use of "mms" as antiviral/antibacterial
and Definitely by testing (with myself) no negative results .

but there is still the excess in citric acid/vinegar/volume that some people can have a negative reaction to. (hypersensitive)/allergy.
cl02 itself. is well misunderstood, and with more open research i think it can do great things
here is an idea "time delay capsule intestinal release" or "saline IV low dose" anyone have a labrat to infect and test? howbout Boredchemist lol jk.
all in good fun.

[Bored chemist]

Great!
Now all you need to do is replace that ad hom attacks with double-blind trials and you will be doing science.

As for "to me it sounds like you would rather demean someone than give (helpfull) advice"
I guess that depends on whether you think the following advice advice is helpful; don't waste your time on stuff that doesn't make any sense and where even the supporters of it say things that show it cannot work.

I also don't think that infecting rats then poisoning them with this stuff would be ethical.

[tracar]

we can all do RCT's  Yaaaaaaaaay!
Ethics. i would rather kill a rat for science than go to war.
but cool beans. back to topic
I have requested about some free labwork from a friend in calgary
based on bloodwork taken every 10 minits after dose CLO2 for duration of 60 minits . if show results will post.
full 10 drops twice daily  [xx(]/ Chemical Analysis to come []

[Bored chemist]

"Ethics. i would rather kill a rat for science than go to war. "
Me too, but where's the science?

[stereologist]

Tracar what was your user name before you became a troll?

[tracar]

what kind of troll? you are a fable player right?

[stereologist]

What was your name on this forum before you became a troll?

[tracar]

possibly a bored chemist.

[Bored chemist]

Sorry for the necromancy but I just found some information about Dr Rath who was cited earlier in this thread as an authority on the matter.
I'm sure that you will make up your own minds about his work.
http://www.generoom.net/features-story.php?id=58