[lyner]

Very few virgins, I'll admit but some of it is ridiculous.

[dentstudent]

virgin on the ridiculous?

(Just thought i'd state the blindingly obvious...)

[AB Hammer]

LMAO ridiculous? LMAO

  Strong word for science. The same word was used for the Wright Brothers, Tesla, and many more. The term impossible and ridiculous are never good words for science, but prove the hypothesis by research and "trial and error". History of failure is not proof that it can not be done either, but it does give a warning to those who try. My studies of Bessler says it was done. I get my info from eye witnesses and how much he had to fight, which logic says he truly had done it. You need to look up John Collins books and the letters written about Bessler. It makes for interesting reading.

[lyner]

Only ignorant people laughed at the Wright Brothers - birds have been flying for years - there's nothing fundamentally different about powered flight, it's just a matter of degree. If you had claimed to have made a bearing which is more efficient than any bearing made so far no one would be laughing at the idea.
Tesla was a showman who claimed more than he achieved. He was far from wrong in everything, though, of course.

BTW, it's not 'a history of failure' that tells us it can't be done. It's a history of SUCCESSFUL Science which supplies a lot of evidence that it can't be done. If the only evidence which you have is from some reports of some events hundreds of years ago then you should use your head and not your heart before committing to it.

[Bikerman]

It really is quite simple. There is no combination of gravitational potential energy, angular momentum and rotational inertia which can possibly produce PM. This is kids stuff - Newtonian physics 101.

[AB Hammer]

Only ignorant people laughed at the Wright Brothers

 Main stream science learned a new understanding when the Wright Brothers flew. And once I am done, there will be another new understanding. You just have to learn what to overcome and do it.

 I wish I could show what I have learned but it would expose my hand to soon. You can call me names, and believe I am mistaken and such. But in the end the names will change and you will have your very own V8 moment with understanding. []

[lyner]

Main stream science learned a new understanding when the Wright Brothers flew

You, of course, have references to support that statement? Their's was an engineering first - not a Scientific breakthrough. Do you seriously think they upset anyone's theory when they got an aircraft to fly? Do you understand the difference between Scientific advance and Engineering development?

I wish I could show what I have learned

Unless you showed me something  that bikerman didn't mention in his last post then you would have nothing worthwhile to show me. And, if it was that brand new, you wouldn't be flailing wheels around. Your machine would be totally unlike anything your historical idol could have assembled. It would be beyond your imagination

[AB Hammer]

OK sophiecentaur

 I will tell you that it is simple. and most likely you have seen what has to be done in other machines. But you have to know the correct combination to make it happen.  [O8)]

LOL The secret to the universe is? I will tell you when I am good and D@#7 ready. []

[lyner]

Do you have to say a magic spell at the same time?

[lyner]

Which Scientific Law did the Wright Brothers violate, btw?

[Pumblechook]

Tesla is a bit of a fraud.  Not a good example to quote.

[AB Hammer]

Which Scientific Law did the Wright Brothers violate, btw?

They didn't. That is what I have been trying to say. A new understanding, for main stream science felt that Man flight outside of a baloon was improvable back then, but now say PM is impossible when improvable would be a better statement up till now.

Pumblechook

 Tesla may have been a bit flaky, but he was no fraud. You need to look into his history and you will see how much impact he had made into our lives. Alternating current, remote control, Radio, and on and on. But big money did try to bury his name and Hollywood villainized him as a mad scientist. 

[lyner]

for main stream science felt that Man flight outside of a baloon was improvable back then

You must be able to quote someone from 'mainstream Science' before you can make a statement like that. Newton wouldn't have said it was impossible if he had been told about the internal combustion engine.

How can you 'improve' beyond a fundamental limit? It's not just a matter of getting better oil, you know.

There were a lot of vested interests in the ENGINEERING of Tesla's day. AC vs DC was only a VHS vs Betamax argument. And, of course, there were a lot of ignorant people about then, too. Can't you distinguish  between that category of discussion and what you are proposing. I can only conclude that you haven't understood what you are saying and what, in your ignorance, you are rejecting. It is just naive enthusiasm talking.
Or perhaps you could assure me (and demonstrate) that you are perfectly familiar with Thermodynamic principles and all of Classical Mechanics and can tell me the essential hole in all the arguments against PM. Also, of course, if you are correct, then there will be all sorts of 'knock-ons' which would seriously change the world as we see it.
I'm afraid that you are demonstrating some fantastic arrogance about the matter.

[Pumblechook]

Tesla didn't invent very much at all.

Totally overrated.

E.G 3 phase AC was pioneered in Britain by John Hopkinson before Tesla had even arrived in the USA.

Some of Teslas claims and/or the claims of his fans are plain barmy.  Like a radio controlled boat in 1896 when most of the components needed to make such a thing possible hadn't been invented then.   It is just about possible he might have made a boat which started off..no steering.. and possibly a stop signal.   

And the suggestion that Tesla invented technology which has been suppressed in these more than one hundred years is particularly barmy. 

[AB Hammer]

LOL

 How many of you believe that the earth travels around the sun? Or to put it another way.
How many of you believe the sun is the center of our solar system?  [] 

[Bored chemist]

Get back to us when the machine works for a year without stopping.

[Bikerman]

How many of you believe that the earth travels around the sun? Or to put it another way.
How many of you believe the sun is the center of our solar system?

Err..I do.
I believe it to be the case based on sound theoretical and observational evidence (ie NOT faith, but belief).
What has that got to do with perpetual motion wheels?

[lyner]

I believe that the Earth won't be in its present orbit for ever. We are pretty sure that it wasn't there for ever, either.
But what has that to do with your whirly wheel?

[AB Hammer]

How many of you believe that the earth travels around the sun? Or to put it another way.
How many of you believe the sun is the center of our solar system?

Err..I do.
I believe it to be the case based on sound theoretical and observational evidence (ie NOT faith, but belief).
What has that got to do with perpetual motion wheels?

 Well put it this way. If you use the sun as the center of our solar system to project space travel in our solar system you will not make it home. But if you use the earth as the center of out solar system you will make it home. As for perpetual motion what we perceive is deceptive in a similar manner.

[AB Hammer]

 Well the sun is perceived as our center of our solar system. But what anchors the sun in the center? Each solar system we see in space has a wobble due to conflicting gravitational pulls so what may look like a planet on one side and then the other is more like changing places. Our solar system is no different the bodies pull at each other and we wobble. Our planetary paths are from observation, but when you add all the mass of the planets and the sun the earth fits between the larger masses in the wobble so as they change places the earth is in the center. This is why NASA does all there math calculations as if the earth is in the center of out solar system.

 As for perpetual motion each mass works for and against each other which makes the shift a wobble effect which creates the wobble over onto the descending side. This is just one of the approaches.