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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #7500 on: 26/11/2019 17:08:05 »
Let's propagate to something entirely different, namely light and its 'propagation'

Sascha express it so nicely in this post. " Quantum Perspective On The Non-Existence Of Light "
https://www.science20.com/alpha_meme/quantum_perspective_nonexistence_light-76047

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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #7501 on: 26/11/2019 17:11:05 »
If you accept the fundamentals presented by Sacha, then look back at our definition from relativity. That light always will present you with a same 'speed' no matter your 'relative motion' relative some other reference frame, and that it always will hold locally defined. Then that should tell you something about constants.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #7502 on: 26/11/2019 17:11:32 »
They are local
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #7503 on: 26/11/2019 17:12:37 »
And if you now translate it into the universe you observe with your own eyes, what is your experience?
Local or global?
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #7504 on: 26/11/2019 17:13:24 »
where is the global representation situated?
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #7505 on: 26/11/2019 17:14:20 »
You will need to introduce the 'eyes of a god' to get to that one.
A 'outside' instead of inside
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« Reply #7506 on: 26/11/2019 17:14:49 »
But that doesn't seem to bother people
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #7507 on: 26/11/2019 17:19:46 »
It's a similarity to the way a geodesic is, according to relativity. The 'straightest path' between two points. Which means that all planets suns asteroids etc all go in straight paths in a 'curved space'.

that doesn't bother you either :)

You don't think that way, but if you did, and then tried to 'unfold' this 'SpaceTime'? Remember that you will, to get to this global representation of only straight paths, have to count in every mass motion that exist according to your observations.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #7508 on: 26/11/2019 17:23:20 »
I can't even imagine how that would look. And as it is SpaceTime you also will need to adjust for time, aka local clocks. You can always use your own as a definition of the others, but then again, so can they, use their own I mean. Which means that they will give your clock different representations, depending on their own mass and relative motion.
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« Reply #7509 on: 26/11/2019 17:25:23 »
You combine those two and what do you get? A chaotic universe, that is if you define it from a ' global ' point of view. If you do it locally though using 'c' as your definition of a constant, then all clocks are equivalent.
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« Reply #7510 on: 26/11/2019 17:29:16 »
So what is a light path?
does it exist?
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« Reply #7511 on: 26/11/2019 17:31:09 »
What exist is emitting and annihilating. The propagation is a measure of the time we locally define that to take in a locally defined geometry.
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« Reply #7512 on: 26/11/2019 17:35:22 »
Looked at this way 'c' becomes your clock, and mine, and everything else clock too. and they are in a balance versus each other, they are in a equivalence, just as 'c' is.
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« Reply #7513 on: 26/11/2019 17:51:25 »
And I'm not entirely sure about what I'm going to propose but it seems to me that geometry is connected to ones local clock. actually I'm pretty sure about that one, in one way, but it's when I start to wonder about its implications that it becomes really weird.
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« Reply #7514 on: 26/11/2019 17:54:06 »
We take one point, put it into a space and watch it. It may not evolve but it takes time.
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« Reply #7515 on: 26/11/2019 17:56:36 »
It's also so that if we place that point in a strongly 'curved space' aka near a neutron star, its local clock slows down relative our own.
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« Reply #7516 on: 26/11/2019 17:58:29 »
So this infinitesimal point, does it have a local clock?
How was it with that photon, did it have one?
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« Reply #7517 on: 26/11/2019 18:00:04 »
To me there seem to be a strong connection between scales and time. And a scale needs a geometry, doesn't it?
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« Reply #7518 on: 26/11/2019 18:08:27 »
What we can state though is that this global representation you get to by watching a universe doesn't exist. It's local definitions all of them. so discussing the universe as 'one thing' doesn't really make sense.
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« Reply #7519 on: 26/11/2019 18:09:57 »
and that is a fact, take a look at NIST if you don't believe me.
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