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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17620 on: 27/02/2021 14:36:11 »
I told you. It's a weird universe.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17621 on: 27/02/2021 14:54:37 »
Maybe it's possible to think of it this way? A photon has the ultimate 'speed' existing inside our universe. And it doesn't matter what medium you define it from. Intrinsically it's always 'c'. So how would it be able to transfer any energy in a recoil by being emitted?
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« Reply #17622 on: 27/02/2021 14:58:00 »
It wouldn't be right though. Conservation laws seems to be about systems and how they act.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17623 on: 27/02/2021 14:59:55 »
As if this universe, which I prefer to define as infinite, still becomes one system, one being. When looked at from a distance.
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Re: An essay in futility, too long to read :)
« Reply #17624 on: 27/02/2021 15:01:11 »
Don't ask me how to do that :)
It's impossible.

we still do it though.
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« Reply #17625 on: 27/02/2021 15:09:19 »
As soon as you want to define a magnitude, a size, to this universe you do it. You presume that the universe is something of a defined scale. Which leaves the question of what is 'outside' it.  Russian dolls.
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« Reply #17626 on: 27/02/2021 15:11:35 »
If you want it 'simple' you better avoid defining a size to it.
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« Reply #17627 on: 27/02/2021 15:18:50 »
In some mean this becomes just as abstract as symmetries and conservation laws. Do you really expect that by transferring your observation from earth to the furthest away star you can find, the universe will end? What do you expect? Will you see the same type of universe there as you did from earth? the same definition of time in form of stars evolution etc, surrounding you?
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« Reply #17628 on: 27/02/2021 15:20:13 »
I expect you to find no difference existing. And that places this in the same abstract category as conservation laws and symmetries, and 'c'.
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« Reply #17629 on: 27/02/2021 15:33:39 »
So what then differs such thinking from magic? Logic, we can set a logic to it. Without finding a logic it should be magical but as long as you can see some sort of logic to how this universe works it won't become magical. That the logic, or logic's, have little to do with how we once thought it 'worked' doesn't matter.
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« Reply #17630 on: 27/02/2021 15:39:11 »
And it doesn't matter, what you do. Be it Quantum mechanics or Relativity, or any other discipline. It's all 'inside' the same universe. Even under Planck scale.
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« Reply #17631 on: 27/02/2021 15:49:52 »
Which rather nicely brings us to the concept of ' emergence's '. something not easily back tracked, or possibly impossible to back track, from its origins. Thoughts could be seen as a emergence.
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« Reply #17632 on: 27/02/2021 15:50:57 »
Very abstract. Thoughts.

You still have them though.
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« Reply #17633 on: 27/02/2021 16:26:06 »
And so we might be able to see the universe, as a emergence. Think about being under Planck scale, looking for our macroscopic definition of a universe. You think you will find it?
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« Reply #17634 on: 27/02/2021 16:30:17 »
Even if a emergence is impossible to back track, it still should be related to a origin. If it is then there must be a logic existing there too.  And that logic might be a question of what time is, and entropy.
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« Reply #17635 on: 27/02/2021 16:37:47 »
Relativity describes the universe as a sort of 'continuum' consisting of four dimensions. Length, width, height and time. You need all of them in relativity to describe it, and they are part of each other.
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« Reply #17636 on: 27/02/2021 16:43:38 »
they really are, that's from where time dilation's and LorentzFitzgerald contractions come. Your universe 'shrinking'.
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« Reply #17637 on: 27/02/2021 17:08:40 »
And speeds. All types of them, uniform to accelerations.
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« Reply #17638 on: 27/02/2021 17:09:23 »
They contract your universe.
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« Reply #17639 on: 27/02/2021 17:10:09 »
Do you think that it is your speed forcing a universe to contract?
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