[yor_on]

There is a book, don't remember its name, describing how USA used to to listen in, eavesdropping, on those cables, using submarines.

I'll give you this instead :)

" A long line of secretive Navy spy submarines, most recently a nuclear-powered behemoth named USS Jimmy Carter, have for decades infiltrated remote waters to gather intelligence on rival states’ militaries, insurgents and terrorists on behalf of the NSA and other agencies using a range of sophisticated devices, including special equipment for tapping undersea communications cables "

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/18/the-navys-underwater-eavesdropper/

 

[yor_on]

Remember those rollbacks done by Mr Trump under his presidency?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.html

Well, here's NSA   https://gizmodo.com/65-things-we-know-about-nsa-surveillance-we-didn-t-know-1586633452

It's kind of funny.
All do the same, with the resources they have of course, also depending on how democratic they find themselves to be.

USA may have the problem of a 'free press' and Internet, but it's also a golden opportunity for all kinds of surveillance

You could call it a handbook in 176 ways for how to build distrust, well, once found out.
If it wasn't for the fact that all superpowers (and governments) try to do the same.

USA is just number one.


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[yor_on]

So how did they do it, Russia?
Disconnect from the Internet?

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50902496

Forgot Iran btw.   You can add them to China and Russia.
In more than one way.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/iran-sanctions-trump-us-china-beijing-russia-putin-a9125296.html
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Let's add this one  https://www.wired.com/story/russia-internet-disconnect-what-happens/

I'm not sure how they succeeded, if they did? It depends on a lot of things, like the 'cloud' you use, where you store a website and how (where) you store the information it contains etc. That is as long as you have a Internet, replacing it for a intranet with 'portals' possibly might be easier. And nobody noticed it?

[yor_on]

Well, there are always several arguments possible to a conversation :)

" Russia fully prepared for possible disconnection from Internet "

By the west that is.   " Disconnecting Russia from the world wide web can be possible, but the authorities have a special plan of action in this case, said Dmitry Medvedev, former President of Russia, currently - Deputy Chairman of the Security Council. "

https://english.pravda.ru/news/russia/147213-russia_internet/

And there can be no doubt it is the truth, it's 'pravda'

[yor_on]

It builds on distrust, all of it.

And of course on how fragile your own position may be internally, it combines. 'Kill switches' is one thing, cutting all traffic externally taking the consequences, the less developed your country is the less effects from it. But that wasn't how I read it, and considering that nobody noticed it, with more than 300 companies apparently having purchased and using connectivity from outside the country you shouldn't, not without a really serious reason.

[yor_on]

So how does China do it?

https://journals.tdl.org/jvwr/article/view/6206/6040    from 2012

and it is a mean, not for stopping business but primarily for controlling information and discussion, internally and externally, to and by their own citizens. But you will need to be of service to the Chinese state if you're thinking of relocating

https://www.china-briefing.com/news/internet-china-top-concerns-foreign-businesses/

in other ways it's a little like a digital wild west.  https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-internet.html
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Let's add this one   https://www.inkstonenews.com/tech/what-china-can-teach-world-about-controlling-internet/article/3006687

[yor_on]

I only have one excuse. China is interesting.  https://supchina.com/2020/05/08/will-china-control-the-global-internet-via-its-digital-silk-road/

[yor_on]

You can split solutions in 'low tech' and 'hi tech', you can also split them in 'low cost' and 'high cost'. The solutions I prefer are low tech, the same tech more or less that took us to this point. But you also need hi tech, the Internet, molten salt reactors. And the Internet needs to be free. If by some magic all Chinese had the same opportunities as us when it come to the international version of Internet, it wouldn't matter how they looked at it. As a place of imagination or as real as real life. It would have a place for them no matter how they looked at it. The same can not be said for our Internet migrating to the Chinese version.

[yor_on]

And that is the question

Are we migrating?

[yor_on]

We have this type of 'passive surveillance'. Not the Chinese model but just as effective if it needs to be. The one building on collecting and storing all digital information for infinity. And as the storage gets more compact and cheaper the more hi tech we become it's no big deal collecting this data. You can then map a person, his relations, his online and also offline behavior, his friends and associates. And use it.

[yor_on]

It's blackmail material

[yor_on]

In the hands of people you never will know, if you're lucky.

[yor_on]

It builds on distrust.

[yor_on]

so how do you want to be governed?

[yor_on]

I don't give us more than thirty years to solve those problems. I only give us ten to ban, well, nine then.

[yor_on]

You don't believe me, not really. Your infra structures work, even if haltingly under this epidemic. and you see no reason to worry about what will happen in ten years time. Or who will get their hands on your life.

[yor_on]

Guess why it's a essay in futility :)

[yor_on]

Let's call this a double edged sword.   https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/mar/11/ecological-island-as-maasai-herding-lands-shrink-so-does-space-for-kenyas-elephants

And this https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/11/budget-cuts-and-collapse-in-tourism-revenue-pose-severe-threat-to-nature

All nations have a responsibility. Even those without our 'living standards'. There is no use looking to the' American dream' any longer, feeling slighted by not having the same outcome as f.ex USA. Or the same type of wasting their resources. And you won't make it go away by getting rich tourists to come back.

[yor_on]

We could also call it a result of the game. It has its own logic, generating GDP.

[yor_on]

This one belongs in the same category.

" The US is building a new $100bn nuclear missile based on a set of flawed and outdated assumptions, a new report by the Federation of American Scientists (FAS) will say. The report, due to be published next week, will argue the planned ground-based strategic deterrent (GBSD) is being driven by intense industry lobbying and politicians from states that will benefit most from it economically, rather than a clear assessment of the purpose of the new intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM).

“It is becoming increasingly clear that there has not been a serious consideration of what role these cold war-era weapons are supposed to play in a post-cold war security environment,” the FAS report, titled Siloed Thinking, will say. "

'Protecting'

Like a sick joke, but so are most of our endeavors today. We fail, constantly. And trust is nowhere to be seen.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/10/cold-war-era-weapon-100bn-us-plan-to-build-new-nuclear-missile-sparks-concern