[4getmenot]

if he didn't then how can he "be" ? if he was never created or never came to be then how did he get anywhere???

k

[another_someone]

What Gecko I think is saying is that there is no God, and therefore the issue of how he was created does not arise.

Perfectly valid argument, since there is no way of proving the existence of a God, one cannot argue conclusively against His supposed non-existence.

George

[4getmenot]

how did god get created???

k

[gecko]

he didnt

[4getmenot]

then how did god come to be??

k

[gecko]

he didnt

[4getmenot]

if he didn't then how can he "be" ? if he was never created or never came to be then how did he get anywhere???

k

[another_someone]

What Gecko I think is saying is that there is no God, and therefore the issue of how he was created does not arise.

Perfectly valid argument, since there is no way of proving the existence of a God, one cannot argue conclusively against His supposed non-existence.

George

[tony6789 (OP)]

we will find out soon as u would know if watch the news. they say the israli bible is unfolding be4 our eyes

NEVER! underestimate youth

[Mjhavok]

At the moment no evidence for god exists. One thing is true though religion does exist and it's insipid.

[Acoustic Samurai]

I had breakfast with God yesterday,
Omelets as a matter of fact.
And he said i have pretty eyes.

        -Timmy-

"Science Rules"

            Bill Nye The    
             Science Guy

[gecko]

since most famous atheists are more well spoken than me- heres a neat list of quotes i found.
http://www.chrisbeach.co.uk/viewquotes.php

my favorite is "if atheism is a religion, than not playing cards is a hobby"

this resonates with me, because a real atheist(rather than just a fallen-from-faith faux atheist, like so many are) doesnt walk the earth thinking about how god doesnt exist all the time, he doesnt pray to science. its not compareable to religion. he thinks about actual life, love, and other observable things instead. hes not plagued by god whatsoever- he doesnt even think about it!

what freedom!

anyway, i hope that shows some perspective for you blind-faithers.

[gecko]

http://www.chrisbeach.co.uk/viewQuotes.php

[another_someone]

quote:Originally posted by gecko

since most famous atheists are more well spoken than me- heres a neat list of quotes i found.
http://www.chrisbeach.co.uk/viewquotes.php

my favorite is "if atheism is a religion, than not playing cards is a hobby"

this resonates with me, because a real atheist(rather than just a fallen-from-faith faux atheist, like so many are) doesnt walk the earth thinking about how god doesnt exist all the time, he doesnt pray to science. its not compareable to religion. he thinks about actual life, love, and other observable things instead. hes not plagued by god whatsoever- he doesnt even think about it!

what freedom!

anyway, i hope that shows some perspective for you blind-faithers.

I think you are confusing atheism (a non-belief in God) with a lack of religion.

Buddhism is a religion that has no God – so they are at once atheists but yet are religious.

I would myself regard many forms of communism as a religion – although they were, in most of the extreme cases, militant atheists.

I would say that one of the defining issues of a religion is an intolerance of competing religions.  If you really do not have a religion, then you have nothing to fear from any religion, because that religion is not in competition with you.  The fact that communism was intolerant of religion was one of the criteria I would use to suggest that it was in competition with other religions, and thus a religion in its own right.

George

[gecko]

youre correct that non-religious is not the same as atheist. but in this thread where only the abrahmaic and muslim god have been brought up, its easy confuse the 2.

i dont fully agree that if youre not religious, than youre not being threatened by any religion. this is the way it should be, in a perfect world, however... being a life long non-theist, people are constantly trying to convert me. religion is so widespread that it cant just be ignored, even though i desperately feel it should. i used to always say "im not religious" which NEVER failed to spark an uncomfortable conversation. finally i just switched to "im atheist" because it scares people a little more and theyre less likely to continue bothering me.

its interesting you bring up communism, because i am some sort of leftist, probably more of an anarcho-syndicalist. communism, as it is written, doesnt say much about religion. the quote from marx is

"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

stating simply religion is counter-revolutionary because it makes people more likely to accept their opression. he didnt say anything more about it.

of course i am sticking to the original doctines, because communism has been ruined forever by the likes of mao and stalin. the way they applied it, more of a state oligarchy, yes, they were in competition with religion. i believe they had their own agenda beyond communism, but communism as written isnt a religion any more than capitalism is.

[another_someone]

Yes, the term “Religion is the opium of the people” is a quote so well known that it has become almost cliché.

The fact that communists do not class themselves as a religion does not of itself make it so.

As I said, there are leftist that do not go as far as Karl Marx, let alone the personality cults of Stalin and Mao (although one might substantially say that a personality cult has also arisen around Karl Marx, even though he may not have sought it in the way that Stalin and Mao did).  There are many socialists, and even communists, who believe there is no contradiction between their Christian values and militant communism – namely Liberation theology.

That religion is counter-revolutionary depends upon whether it is in a position of power or not.  Christians can be just as revolutionary as any communist, if they are not in a position of power.  Exactly the same could be said of communists – they are revolutionary only until they obtain power, and then seek to oppress other revolutions that might displace them from power.

That religion can be an opiate is true, but so can communism.  There are communists who have endured hardship for their cause, and so it must be regarded that the cause can make hardship more tolerable, just as Christianity can.

George

[Mjhavok]

God real or not. My opinion "not"

If you get hold of a BBC mini series called "the atheism tapes" where Jonathan Miller talks to The late Arthur Miller, Colin McGinn, Steven Weinberg, Richard Dawkins, Denys Turner and Daniel Dennet then I would recommend you watch them. I found them very thought provoking and interesting conversations.

link below is to the bbc page concerning this series


http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/atheism-tapes.shtml

Steven

[gecko]

i didnt say communism wasnt a religion simply because it doesnt class itself as one. youre stating an argument i never made and then disprooving it. i know i said this before, twice, but im done with this. arguing left wing politics on a thread about gods existance is pretty far off. i know i exacerbated it, so sorry.

[Mjhavok]

quote:Originally posted by another_someone

Yes, the term “Religion is the opium of the people” is a quote so well known that it has become almost cliché.

Isn't the quote "Religion is the opium of the masses".

In the end it kind of means the same I guess.

Steven

[TeapotTheist]

quote:Originally posted by ejirolove30

Humans were created 6000 yrs ago.

Preposterous statement, disproven by all the scientific evidence (fossils, genetics etc.)




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