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Offline Ians Daddy

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« on: 13/10/2003 09:19:49 »
Please, is there any remedy for this sleep disorder? I want nothing more than to get my 8 hours in and go to bed at a decent time. I'm always looking at the clock and its way past my bed time. I do get sleepy, but it's too late to go to sleep. Once I am asleep, I'm GONE. I often have several early appointments that I have to keep, so to avoid sleeping through them, I just stay up. I'm not liking this at all. Does anyone have any suggestions? Any herbal supplements, exercises, techniques you could share?

Sleepy Ron [:(]
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« Reply #1 on: 13/10/2003 22:03:28 »
Ron,

Valerian - one hour before your desired bedtime.  Even if you don't feel sleepy, lay down.  You can experiment to find the dosage that works for you.  You'll be delighted to hear that it also relieves menstrual cramps.[:D]  Calcium and B complex at night help too.  

I'd be willing to bet that you don't keep the same hours from one day to the next.  Our bodies need a regular routine, especially when it comes to sleep patterns, so working on that can help.

There are subliminal tapes/CDs you can get to encourage sleep too.  

Let us know how you do....if we see gibberish accredited to your name, we'll know you fell asleep at the keyboard.
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« Reply #2 on: 14/10/2003 00:04:02 »
I don't have to be asleep to put out nonsensical gibberish. Haven't you noticed? [:)]

You're absolutely right about my schedule. As a contractor, I find myself pulled in all directions at all times. I would love a routine, but can't seem to find one. I'll try the velarian. Do I get it at the pharmacy or the health place?
 

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« Reply #3 on: 15/10/2003 03:16:09 »
Health food stores, but you could call the pharmacy and see if they carry it if it's more convenient than an hfs.  

Marijuana works even better than valerian but I don't want you to get in arrested, so I'd stick with the valerian[8D].
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« Reply #4 on: 15/10/2003 04:44:21 »
I used to smoke up before bed every night. I never slept better. The only problem was I liked to stay that way. I couldn't find an alarm that would wake me. I'm in "the program" now, so I'm all about herbal supplements. I'm going to get groceries tomorrow, so I'll look for some velarian.
Does it take awhile to get into your system and work like St. Johns Wort? Or, is it a per use thing like laxatives? I'm afraid if I go to a HFS with lots of questions, I'll walk out with a duffel full of bottles and a few hundred dollars light.
 

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« Reply #5 on: 16/10/2003 00:04:03 »
A few hundred would hardly get you a duffel full[:0], but it might line the bottom.

Valerian works per use, so if you take the dose recommended on the bottle an hour before bed time you should pop right off to sleep.
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« Reply #6 on: 16/10/2003 00:34:54 »
I usually find that 5 vallium and a large gin are quite effective at seeing off those troublesome 'stay-awake all night' occasions.

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« Reply #7 on: 16/10/2003 04:43:26 »
Oh, not me. I used to take a few valium and drink a few drinks and, for some reason, I'd be amped. It had an opposite affect on me. That might have something to do with why I'm in "the program" now. Damn, I could go for a cold one! And a valium and a fat joint. Hey! Does valerian give you a buzz?
 

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« Reply #8 on: 16/10/2003 15:18:36 »
No,but I have it on good authority that St. John's Wort makes you fart.

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« Reply #9 on: 16/10/2003 15:45:47 »
[:0] LOL [:D] <howling with laughter> [:)] <rolling on the floor> [:o)]...how depressing!  St. John's Wort also makes your eyes sensitive to light, so I've read that wearing UV protection shades is a good idea (unless you live in Britain, where you don't have to worry about getting too much sunlight[;)]).

Sorry Ron, no buzz but you'll be bright eyed and bushy tailed after a good night's sleep.  Exercising during the day helps you sleep, and sex at bedtime should help you drift off[:D].
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« Reply #10 on: 16/10/2003 16:35:04 »
I like that last idea the best. Unfortunately, I'll have to get velarian[:(].
 

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« Reply #11 on: 16/10/2003 16:44:29 »
Sorry Ron, I have to correct your spelling....valerian.  If you get someone not familiar with it they may not find it if they do a computer search with the wrong spelling.
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« Reply #12 on: 16/10/2003 17:10:54 »
Maybe there will be a cutie at the HFS and I can also incorporate the latter solution too. I can spell sex. [:)]
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« Reply #13 on: 17/10/2003 20:53:39 »
Yeah, you might get viagra instead of valerian and then you'd be up all night.

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« Reply #14 on: 18/10/2003 01:10:45 »
The health food version is Vigora or something like that.
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« Reply #15 on: 18/10/2003 02:38:13 »
My dad had a free sample of Viagra and he found out my brother was taking them to "party". I find this odd as he doesn't have a girlfriend. Hmmmm.

Vigora. Might be fun.
 

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« Reply #16 on: 18/10/2003 10:02:58 »
"Up all night"?  Good one, Chris.

Viagra is quite the street drug here.  Goes for about $10 a pill, and the young boys like it -- so they can be up all night.
 

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« Reply #17 on: 18/10/2003 11:04:41 »
Ronnie's normally pretty quite but my 'up all night' seemed to go up over his head...oops, that's not sounding too good either !

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« Reply #18 on: 18/10/2003 19:00:16 »
Must be lack of sleep -- he's not on top of things.
 

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« Reply #19 on: 18/10/2003 19:48:31 »
Sorry, I see I've typoed - I meant quick not 'quite' !

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« Reply #20 on: 19/10/2003 03:39:18 »
Bad typing Chris, what's up with that?
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« Reply #21 on: 20/10/2003 01:35:30 »
well it's not much help if you can't understand what I was trying to say ?!

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« Reply #22 on: 20/10/2003 04:43:59 »
Hehehe. I did miss that. I've had my boys for the last five days and it's been constant running. I've been getting very little sleep and absolutely no rest. Hell, I'm so tired, I can't even come up with any d!ck jokes to retort.
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« Reply #23 on: 20/10/2003 11:15:07 »
So where can i get some of this St John's Wort... Imagine the hours of fun FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAART!

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« Reply #24 on: 20/10/2003 15:42:06 »
*mutters* bloody penis-obsessed men ...

The best thing to do I've found is to do a lot of physical excercise in the afternoon, perhaps go for a long walk (half an hour at least) then sit down for a while then get a nice book and lie in bed with it and a mug of hot chocolate or milk and relax and keep thinking to yourself how comfortable and relaxed you are even if you're not, just keep repeating it to yourself. Don't read an exciting book, something nice and boring (like a mills and boon for instance) then turn out the lights, spend no more than 30 seconds finding a comfortable position then lie there and keep repeating to yourself how warm and snuggly you feel, and you will fall asleep pretty soon.

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« Reply #25 on: 21/10/2003 00:14:21 »
Great. I'll try it. Thanks.
 

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« Reply #26 on: 21/10/2003 03:14:50 »
Exodus, if you have St. John's Wort in the tub you could blow bubbles and have a bubble bath![:0]
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« Reply #27 on: 21/10/2003 12:44:15 »
Clearly, taking St. John Wort would not be a good idea before bed, unless you have the facility to strap the covers down...[^]

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« Reply #28 on: 21/10/2003 13:11:33 »
huh???

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« Reply #29 on: 24/10/2003 21:27:03 »
Velcro sheets, top and bottom.........no problem with "blow ups" from the SJW!
 

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« Reply #30 on: 25/10/2003 00:07:08 »
I think that one blew straight over Quantum's head.

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« Reply #31 on: 26/10/2003 06:31:13 »
My mother swears by warm milk and honey before bed. When I can't sleep I lie on my back and mentally relax every part of my body, starting with each toe and working my way up. I'm usually asleep before I get past my legs.

Obviously, I try to be very quiet and not toss and turn because it wakes my hubby and then he suggests his (so-called) sure-fire way to send me to sleep[;)].........and thats when I tell him I have a headache as well as insomnia.[:D]

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« Reply #32 on: 26/10/2003 13:54:04 »
Genegenie,
Your hubby is only trying to help.[:)] It puts us right to sleep almost everytime. It also cures headaches. 4 out of 5 doctors agree that sex with me is so boring, that you can't help but fall asleep. Take your hubby's prescription and have sweet dreams.

 

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« Reply #33 on: 26/10/2003 17:05:50 »
Ronnie, so how many doctors have you had sex with then[;)]?

Genegenie, your hubby's on the right track, knocks me out like a light!  As Ronnie said, it's good for headaches too; may not cure the pain, but gives you pleasure to focus on.  Now I just hope I don't have 50 million women mad at me for ruining their best excuse.
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« Reply #34 on: 27/10/2003 06:19:22 »
I've only slept with one doctor, but I believe it spawned a survey at area malls. On the subject of headaches, as they say, laughter is the best medicine. Get me nekkid and all your ailments are gone. [:D]
 

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« Reply #35 on: 28/10/2003 04:35:39 »
Is that what all those surveyors at the mall are asking about?  I always wondered.  Sex puts me to sleep too, and I swear I'm all female, but I'm just like a man.  Want to roll over and go to sleep afterwards.  As far as the cuddling goes, can't stay awake long enough to demand it.  Headaches?  Only had one in my life after I had a concussion.  That's kind of lets the headache out as an excuse for me.
 

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« Reply #36 on: 28/10/2003 22:50:35 »
Ronnie - I saw this and thought of you :

http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?articleID=00054E67-ED15-1EB6-BDC0809EC588EEDF&catID=3

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« Reply #37 on: 28/10/2003 23:50:24 »
Interesting article, Chris.  Too much REM?  

Ron, do you drink coffee after 2pm?  

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« Reply #38 on: 29/10/2003 03:56:14 »
Very interesting, Chris. Thank you. It did give me some insight and I'm going to try some of the suggestions.

Donnah, yes, I do drink lots of coffee. I try not to drink any caffine after 5pm, but sometimes find I've failed. I drink less water than I used to and rarely exercise. I smoke and my stress has been at an all time high for the last few years. As a whole, I just haven't been taking very good care of myself. I do remember as a child having trouble sleeping. It seems that good sleep has never been a constant luxury for me. I find that I'm very tired in the morning as though I didn't sleep at all. I've also been reluctant to go to bed. That's not to say that I'm not tired / sleepy, I just don't go to bed. I've been forcing myself to bed lately and practicing some of the suggestions from everyones advice here (thank you)and have had a little better time getting up in the mornings. I just need to take better care of myself and not run myself into the ground so much.

Time to wind down.....G'nite, Y'all.
 

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« Reply #39 on: 30/10/2003 14:15:26 »
Why does good sleep get more elusive as I get older. I remember those teenage years of sleeping in till noon after a night out. Now, I'm wide awake come 5 am regardless of the previous night's activities. I see my daughter sleeping like a baby and envy her ability to just "turn off" and crash for the night. So, what's up with the sleep thing as I age? Anyone have any ideas or similar experience?
 

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« Reply #40 on: 30/10/2003 14:50:51 »
So maybe, if what you're saying is true, my ability to get to work on time might improve as I get older ?!

Rate I'm going I'll have to be bloody retiring age before I get near the door close to starting time !

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« Reply #41 on: 30/10/2003 16:15:25 »
I've been watching this thread and feeling that I don't have much to contribute.  I still don't have much to contribute, but I'll put in my 2 cents'.

I have found that not doing my exercise makes it difficult to get to sleep.  Getting too much sleep (or trying to) is also a bad thing.  For a while I was also having to get up two or three times a night to relive my bladder.  Taking saw palmetto extract to reduce my prostate has helped that a lot.  Sometimes I get a good book and stay up all night.  That really helps me sleep well the next night.  Mostly, I figure if I'm not going to sleep anyway, just stay up and do something fun - like write stuff on this forum!



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« Reply #42 on: 30/10/2003 16:47:16 »
Tweener - thanks for the $0.02 worth. Can you expand on the saw palmetto prostate thing?? Why, what does it do, how does it work, etc........not only have I reach an age where sleep becomes elusive, butt I'm hearing the snapping sound of a rubber glove approaching from the rear, yikes!!
 

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« Reply #43 on: 30/10/2003 21:51:24 »
I read somewhere that older people need less sleep.  Then I read somewhere else that older people tend to nap more during the day, thus requiring less sleep at night.  All I know is that since I'm "older," I sleep less and feel just fine, and have also changed from being a night person to a day person.  Read somewhere else that sleep regulation has to do with the pineal gland, which calcifies in all of us with age.

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« Reply #44 on: 30/10/2003 22:24:45 »
Pappy, saw palmetto is useful in preventing prostate enlargement because it inhibits the production of the hormone dihydrotestosterone.  It also functions as an appetite stimulant, diuretic, urinary antiseptic, and can enhance sexual drive and function.

Sleep?  I'm Bezoar's age and sleep like a baby most nights.  Easy to fall asleep and easy to stay asleep.  The key, for me, is stress level.
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« Reply #45 on: 31/10/2003 00:59:47 »
Nancy,

PLEASE tell me how to switch from a night person to a day person. I'm possitive that it would make life alot easier amongst all these crazy day people and their unrealistic demands on me.
 

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« Reply #46 on: 31/10/2003 03:04:05 »
Pappy, what Donnah said about saw palmetto.  She knows more details than I do.  It really does work, but that rubber glove is snapping behind me too I'm afraid.

My main trouble with sleep is that my circadian (sp?) rythm is not tuned to a 24 hour day.  I seem to be off by about 5 or 10 minutes per day. Sometimes I have good timing and then I drift earlier to the point I stay up late and don't get up in time for work for a while.  So, sometimes I'm a day person and sometimes I'm a night person.

I prefer nights because that's when I get to do fun stuff like play with pictures on my computer and surf the internet.  It makes for long days at work though.


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« Reply #47 on: 31/10/2003 03:25:43 »
Ronnie
My switch from a night to a day person came about after working eight years of the night shift (7p-7a).  I got to hwere I was so sleep deprived that I fell asleep every time I sat still for any length of time.  Finally, when the girls were old enough to be home for a few hours till I got off work, I switched to the day shift.  Gradually, over about a year, I strangely became a day person, waking up with the sun.  I don't know why it happened, and I wouldn't suggest eight years of the night shift to my worst enemy.  Did it so the kids wouldn't have to be with baby sitters -- that way they were either with their Dad or me.  I think somehow the years of sleep deprivation reset my circadian clock.  Also, the sleep deprivation influenced my choice of the second husband, absolute proof that people should not go too long without sleep.

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« Reply #48 on: 31/10/2003 05:57:48 »
Hehehehe....sleep deprivation can cause some really bad choices. Too many cobwebs in the head. I tried the 3rd shift for two years and it's hard to get used to. I don't think I ever did. I think alot of my sleep habits stem from my past. I was a bartender, waiter, bouncer in clubs and got home at 5am or 6am quite regularly. It's been ages since then and I need to switch. It's getting a little better, but I have to go to bed in order to get up on time. I just avoid going to bed. As if I'm going to miss something. I know there are no clowns and ponies once I drift off to sleep. Why I fight it, I'll never know.
I read that your body keeps an account of your "sleep debt" and it usually catches up when you get ill. Is there any validity to this?
 

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« Reply #49 on: 31/10/2003 21:46:54 »
Ron just pretend there's a gorgeous woman waiting in bed for you[:X]; that'll get you 'tween the sheets faster than the speed of light[:p].
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