[Missynmax83]

thing change all the time like just now it looks like they have find the olds life on earh wright here in outback australia . the life is 3,500,000,000 years old

[Kryptid]

ok thats long so ill do bit by bit

When many points need addressing, that'll happen. I'd like to address all the points.

....with the water like i sed it wood be like a super tide having it weight change by the moon so it can start to stack it self on top of it self . now the heighter it get it will get colder and try to freeze but being miked by the earth spinning (like a frozen coke machine) and in the very water cooling the earth. yes a rock will not get stronger in the freezer but im talking about is more like a length of hot steel or rock being frozen at one end ,after some time the cool will transure from 1 end to the other,with earth  that would be a thicking of the surface .now u r sayin how bi the explosion will be when the surfaces do brake .the differents this time its got a lot of water around it and we know what happens when u put a water pack on explosives comperd to no water pack ,so for the very 1st moment the water should be containing the explosion and directing 2 ways up and down........and it not the moon who need to not to have it surface completely shatted only earth making it go away with minimal damage

It should be pointed out that when putting an explosive in a bucket of water, the mass of the water is comparable or even larger than the mass of the explosive. This is nowhere near true for this case. For example, the oceans make up only 0.023% of the Earth's total mass and have 1.9% of the Moon's mass. We can probably visualize this better by imagining a scaled-down version of the Earth. Let's imagine shrinking the Earth down to the size of a basketball (about 24 centimeters in diameter). The deepest point the ocean on this tiny Earth, the Marianas Trench, would be only 0.33 millimeters deep. The thickest part of the Earth's crust would be about 1 millimeter thick. A sphere this size with the same density as the Earth would weight a bit less than 40 kilograms. 0.023% of 40 kilograms is 9.2 grams. So a basketball-sized Earth would have only 9.2 grams of water in all of its oceans. Doesn't sound like that's going to do much cushioning. This doesn't even consider that the water is liquid and would therefore be easily pushed out of the way by the solid Moon, allowing it to impact the crust of the Earth which lies below it.

now every thing u say is true 99% and i know that but im talking about that 1% of maybe....

Maybe the Moon is actually made of cheese. Maybe the Earth is actually flat. Maybe Bigfoot lives in my kitchen cabinet.

the speed the moon coming does matter yes its will happen for just 1 moment thats all im saying them have to hold out for but hoiw long the moon gets here does matter sins it will give the moon time sitting in earth atmosphere

As I've pointed out, it can't hold out for even a moment. The crust is too weak to support the Moon's weight.

Although there is no definite boundary between the Earth's atmosphere and outer space, an altitude of 100 kilometers is often cited as the standard starting point of space. 75% of the mass of the atmosphere is within 11 kilometers of the Earth's surface (the pressure and density are much lower at high altitudes). Let's go back to our scaled-down Earth. The 100-kilometer boundary is 1.9 millimeters thick, and the 11-kilometer boundary is 0.21 millimeters thick. This should be a good example to help you visualize just how thin of a skin the air is around the Earth. The scaled-down Moon, by comparison, is 6.55 centimeters in diameter (similar in size to a tennis ball). The thickness of the atmosphere is practically nothing in comparison. It's not going to do anything to stop such a large object.

ice age was a maybe and could be added with the rest

Good. Let's go ahead and not consider that one further then.

i know compression make thing hot its how a diesal engine works im saying water can be really cold when dense ,the deeps parts of the ocean show that .

The reason that the depths of the ocean are cold is because they are cut off from most of the warming rays of the Sun, not because they are under pressure or "dense" (density there is almost no different than it is on the surface).

im not talking about the earth and moons gravity on its self im talking about what on them (water that does change )and maybe the surface and some of what under it will have the same affect happen ,now adding motion pushing out its adds more again

As I've pointed out, there is much too little water on Earth to do any significant cushioning, no matter how you choose to arrange it.

40000 kmh i know that but isnt that for going around the earth so ur side way force = u free fall force so u can sit a single height from earth .im talk about the presser behind the surface leaving the planet straight out. pressers now giving extra support to the surface (with it being thicker)

No, it's not for going around the Earth. 40,000 kilometers per hour is the speed required to escape when traveling directly up and against the pull of gravity.

How is pressure going to give extra support? Adding pressure to a surface should weaken it, not strengthen it.

Also wouldn't there atomic try explodes in the same way a gun try atomic bomb works plus compression . when the surface cracks around the impact witch is  surrounded by water .and like the same way a comet can explode b4 impact couldn't it explode but this time is not just 1 chuck of matter its much bigger and over and over ,,,, for 1 moment u have a natural internal combustion event

It would seem that your first language isn't English and I don't mean to insult you for that. However, this particular part is rather difficult for me to understand. If you can find a way to rephrase it, I would be appreciative.

I say maybe not coz I don't really think it could happen .i say maybe coz right now it seems to be only impossible but all it need to be is a maybe to possible of happening .to tell the truth intill a hour b4 wrighting on here I have never thought this could or had happened sins no one has ever sed anything about it .but after having a little look at whAt moon truth was talking about I thought it was possible and I want to work out if it can happen sins it can make sense

Well don't worry about what MOON TRUTH has said, because his theory is imconceivable. Even if he is correct about there being perfect correlations between the features on the Earth and the Moon, it would actually be more plausible (even if it is also ridiculous) to assume that advanced alien sculpters created the features artificially. At least the existence of aliens wouldn't violate the laws of physics. I consider it most likely that his discoveries represent a coincidence. I would like to go on the suggestion of the others and check out the surface features of Mars or Mercury to see if correlations seem to pop up as well.

As far as what Distimpson has said about a kissing orbit, it simply doesn't match the observed way that the Moon orbits.

Here's another question to address: what is it that causes the Moon to come towards the Earth in the first place? Please don't say magnetic attraction as MOON TRUTH suggested, because it is completely unworkable. The Earth's magnetic field is similar in strength to a fridge magnet. If you hold two common magnets even a meter apart, you can't even feel the magnetic attraction between them. Now imagine placing them 239,000 miles apart. There is no way such weak fields over such a great distance can have any effect.

also with the event of a mar size planet hitting us.if a eart quake can move the earth orbit axis by a couple of cms and if possable it would only take a couple 1000 horse power to move the earth .

Please give a reference for your 1,000 hp figure.

so if it did happn with out the object being part of ow orbit wouldnt it have massive afects on where ow orbit. wouldnt we  way to close to the sun or way to far from the sun .wouldnt that have massive temp changes not the little changes that we can c.also wouldnt it be a bit like it is with the moon ,u can jump a little but jump to much woooops.so with what im saying with a oject on a diffenent orbit hitting us wouldnt it be very clear to tell.the only other this would be earth had a second moon but again wouldnt to clear to tell...and if we where to be hit on ow side wouldnt we be aball to tell coz the earth would be out of sync with the other planets.....also so this would only be miner but as the moon spin around earth would the suns gravity have affect to .not much but a little bit of destorion

The impact with Theia probably would have changed the Earth's orbit somewhat, yes. However, we have to keep in mind that the impact with Theia occured when the Earth was inhospitable and devoid of life. So even if it wasn't in the "right place" before the Theia impact, it only matters that it is in the right place afterwards.

[Missynmax83]

ok b4 i read all that u seem to can calculate better than me can u check some thing.now the moon is moving away at 3.8 cms a year so say sins its not moving its a bit easyer to work out from a start to a finish ....now protend to reverse time wouldnt under the laws of gravity, wouldnt the moon have would of be at the earth surface 2.55 billion years ago (give and take ) and like i sed b4 it loks like life was here 3.5 billion years ago

[Missynmax83]

remember im doing this in my head and with a calculator

[Kryptid]

Assuming that the Moon has been moving away from the Earth at a constant rate (which is probably not true, due to the inverse-square law attraction that gravity has), then 2.55 billion years ago, the Moon would be 96,900 kilometers away from the Earth.

I would also like to introduce the concept of the Roche Limit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche_limit

The Roche Limit is the closest possible stable orbit that one object can have with a larger object. If the smaller object approaches within this limit, gravitational forces with break the object up and ultimately destroy it (although the debris can potentially form into a pretty ring around the planet). For the Moon, this limit is somewhere between 9,000 and 19,000 kilometers away from the Earth (depending on how rigid or fluid the Moon's material is). If the Moon were to manage to enter this region, it wouldn't survive.

[Missynmax83]

what about the earth being pulling to the moon

[Missynmax83]

the moon is 60% the density of earth

[Missynmax83]

thats also go with what im sayin about how the surfaces mite hold out ...we know it dont matter if it is a solid liquid or gas every thing have resistions and cant just instenly join

[Kryptid]

Perhaps I should have put the thing about the Roche Limit in a new post. You should go back and take a look at the edit to my earlier post.

If we assume that the Moon slowly spirals inwards towards the Earth in a decaying orbit, it will pass through the Roche Limit and break up. That's another reason MOON TRUTH is wrong.

[Missynmax83]

i c that and i have only had a quick think on that but i was focust first on the earth surface but what going thought my head is how far the atmosphere would be expanded outwards ,sin u have a liquid body moving around the earth dragging air with it after a bit it mite start looking the jupiter ring ,now with massive wind speeds. the presser of the air mite start to rise the atmophere 1000s of kms .this winds wood be oing 1650 kms making a vacuum afect at the poles areas to add more air ....remember this air is being cool as it passes the water
 

[Missynmax83]

and thats if the moon doent have a tide like afect on air if it does it would much easyer for the air to do this ......and maybe not 1650 kmh but it will be trying to

[Kryptid]

How is that supposed to make this Moon impact event more likely? I've already pointed out that the oceans and atmosphere are too shallow and lightweight to stand any shadow of a chance at stopping the likes of the Moon.

[Missynmax83]

like i sed it more about the earth surface surviving more than the moons surface .i do c the moon braking but with winds of them speed the peaces braking u mite be pushed to the side but the point is the moon will come in contact with a cool force early than normal ,then sit in most of the earths water and when it hit and brakes around the impact spot witch is surounded by water ..it would explode like a firecracker in a close fist and not like cracker going off in a open hand big differents......................and justy to let u know english is my first language i live in australia born and bread but i left school in year 8 and teached mky self to read and wright coz school didnt help my much

[Missynmax83]

anyway so 2.55 billion years age the moon could of been 3/4 of its way here so that would mean 3.18 billion years ago(not including acceleration of the moon or the earth acceleration to the moon) the moon was at earth surface ...well it looks like life was around b4 that and that dont match up witch the moon being maked by a impact on earth .

[Kryptid]

If I must, I will summarize once again why the Earth's surface cannot survive this:

(1) The crust is not strong enough to hold the weight of the Moon (much less an explosion powerful enough to push it back out into orbit). It is held together more by gravity than by molecular bonding strength.
(2) The water and air of the Earth, regardless of how fast they may be moving, how cold they are or how you choose to arrange them, simply lack enough force/density/quantity to make any difference. Don't forget that if you were to shrink the Earth down to the size of a basketball, the atmosphere and oceans would represent a thin, millimeter-scale skin around it. That's nothing to a baseball-sized object like the mini-Moon.
(3) Remember that energy quantity I calculated earlier? 4.597 x 10³⁰? It turns out that the actual explosion would probably need to be very much more energetic than that. This is because my calculation made a simplified assumption that the explosion would somehow be able to transform all of its energy into the kinetic energy of the Moon. In reality, a large percentage of the energy would not be available to do this. A lot of it would go into heating and melting the surfaces of the Earth and the Moon. Some would go into blowing part of the atmosphere off. Some would go into generating shockwaves, sound waves and fissures. If we want to push the Moon away, we need much more energy than the original calculation. This is doubly true because we not only need to push the Moon to near the escape velocity of the Earth, but we also need to be able to stop it cold (since it would be moving towards the Earth at the moment of impact and thus would have a considerable amount of kinetic energy that would need to be overcome). Even if the Moon were moving at a snail's pace of 10 meters per second when it reached Earth, that's still going to be 3.67 x 10²⁴ joules of kinetic energy to overcome. This is comparable to the Chicxulub meteorite impact. In any realistic scenario, the Moon will be travelling much, much faster than 10 meters per second upon impact.

anyway so 2.55 billion years age the moon could of been 3/4 of its way here so that would mean 3.18 billion years ago(not including acceleration of the moon or the earth acceleration to the moon) the moon was at earth surface ...well it looks like life was around b4 that and that dont match up witch the moon being maked by a impact on earth .

My mistake. I made a faulty assumption in my original calculation. The Moon would actually be 96,900 kilometers closer to Earth 2.55 billion years ago. That wasn't the absolute distance. The actual distance is 142,100 kilometers away from Earth. So now that I've identified that error, let me calculate the distance for 3.18 billion years ago. Turns out it is 120,840 kilometers closer than it is now (an absolute distance of 118,160 miles away). These calculations actually suggest that it would be about 6.29 billion years ago when the Moon and Earth were together. However, I would like to strongly emphasize that the speed that the Moon is moving away from the Earth has almost certainly changed over time, making all of these figures wrong.

[Missynmax83]

going by 6.29 billion that would mean the moon would arrive only 2.5 x quicker than when it left ,and still that dont match the 4.5 billion years that the gaint impact was ment to happen .plus with it leaving earth the basic rule of what goes up must come down

[Kryptid]

Just in case you missed my final sentence in my last post, I will repost it:

However, I would like to strongly emphasize that the speed that the Moon is moving away from the Earth has almost certainly changed over time, making all of these figures wrong.

As far as "what goes up must come down" goes, you are right. The Moon is eventually predicted to stop moving away from us and begin to have its orbit decay until it comes into the Roche Limit and breaks up. However, this is currently estimated to happen billions of years from now.

[Missynmax83]

i didnt miss it just to me the likely hood of a second gaint impact hitting the moon changng it speeds is more unlikly than the moon was formed the same way planet and sun r formed

[Missynmax83]

now if i had a block of ice and had it sitting on a rock for millions of year u cant tell me the cool temp wasnt be transfured thought the rock,,,,,so what im say is the cooling on the surface would transfur into to the upper lay of the earths core changing past of it from a liquid to a solid or semi soild

[Missynmax83]

also when the moon got so close to the earth and the earth blocked the sun wouldnt the temp of the visible side of the start to act like the dark side dropping down to around -153 c for millions of years