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A Greek says : All Greeks are ...liars haha : a famous paradox in logic.
One of the peculiarities about PSI research is that conclusions are really based on process of elimination: "There is no other way this person could have known this; we've controlled for every variable we can think of, so it must be ESP."This doesn't happen often in science, and when it does, it often leads to premature conclusions and outright blunders.Like PSI research, early studies of newly identified physical phenomenon, may only be able to show a correlation between two things beyond what would be statistically predicted by chance. If the the study is reproducible, though, it is usually followed by ones that ask more specific questions. At which point the researchers can say: "Okay, we still don't know how it works or the cause, but we can show it happens in this situation, but not that one. It is effected by A but not B. It is more likely to occur when C is also present."Findings like these usually lead to some proposed mechanism or model, which if correct, should have some predictive value in future experiments.But research on the paranormal never seems to advance past conclusions based on process of elimination, and there is never any more descriptive insight into the process or it's characteristics.
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 17/09/2013 20:31:10What kindda silly "reasoning" is this then ? ..........You're telling a particular ordinary story humanity has been experiencing some perfectly natural forms or other of since day 1= no big deal = makes part of the human nature one should try to be alert of , should try to improve ,recognize as such ....Human deception and self-deceit are common knowledge since day 1 ,one must be aware of... As I prefaced my comments with, stories and analogies are not proof. They are only illustrative.Um, I think you are actually arguing my own point here. And because there is such a tendency to want to believe things for reasons other than it is likely to be true, the kind of evidence, how ones knows what one knows, and the transparency of the process to others is important.Ironically, there is not much difference between some of the paranormal, immaterial things you mention - remote viewing, ESP - and some conventional material process proposed in a research study in which the author simply refused to publish his data or explain his methodology. If I don't know how he got the results he got, I can't evaluate them. I just have to take his word for it
What kindda silly "reasoning" is this then ? ..........You're telling a particular ordinary story humanity has been experiencing some perfectly natural forms or other of since day 1= no big deal = makes part of the human nature one should try to be alert of , should try to improve ,recognize as such ....Human deception and self-deceit are common knowledge since day 1 ,one must be aware of...
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 17/09/2013 20:32:31A Greek says : All Greeks are ...liars haha : a famous paradox in logic.No, it was a Cretan, quoted by a Greek. Please check your facts
One cannot a-priori just dismiss the potential existence of the paranormal ,just because it is extremely difficult to differentiate between that and the rest , or just because the nature of the paranormal is , per definition, out of reach of conventional science ...
So, to say that anything science cannot prove to be true as such is not, is the most stupid thing anyone can utter .....[/b]
Only real true mystics can experience the relatively full scale of human consciousness or pure consciousness and beyond :
Oi! Who asked for common sense? You'll be questioning the existence of fairies if you're not careful, and you know what that means...
The human mind is a physical process of the human brain. While it might be difficult to understand, there's no reason to think it is dependent upon anything but common (universal) physical rules. People have similar problems understanding how life could be a consequence of common matter in complex arrangements. The problem isn't with the physics, it's with our ability to imagine.
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 18/09/2013 18:53:29Only real true mystics can experience the relatively full scale of human consciousness or pure consciousness and beyond :Really? How do you know?