[Karen W.]

Boy Carolyn I have so been there..Back Taxes Fortunantly I was able to fix it.. before it proceded to that , but I burried my head to, and it did not help!! Ours was a new business also.. what a scarey mess... Never again!!

Karen

[moonfire]

Darn....Bad A--Betty...if it were armed robbery....it would've been so juicy for your rep here...hehe

"Just Me, Lo" Loretta

[Karen W.]

Armed Robery is the other way around when your talking business taxes etc.. The business man has to pay out of the nose in tons of different taxes!

Karen

[moonfire]

I know, I have been there and done that..no fun and reputable accountants...the percentages are no fun when looking for one that does not charge an arm and a leg

"Just Me, Lo" Loretta

[another_someone]

quote:Originally posted by Andy28
Lol. They were out of order taking you to court over that. I thought you were gonna say you were done with armed robbery or something.

The nature of the law is that before it protects the citizen, it protects the government, and that means protecting the government's source of revenue, and protecting the government's authority.

They took her to court first and foremost to protect their authority.

George

[Carolyn]

quote:Originally posted by another_someone

quote:Originally posted by Andy28
Lol. They were out of order taking you to court over that. I thought you were gonna say you were done with armed robbery or something.

The nature of the law is that before it protects the citizen, it protects the government, and that means protecting the government's source of revenue, and protecting the government's authority.

They took her to court first and foremost to protect their authority.

George

Right you are George.  They filed charges and were extremely hard on me.  My lawyer, as well as a few reputable accountants, said the State was making an example of me to show the rest of the business community that they better cooperate.  After they filed charges and the community saw what I went through, the State went after several businesses in the area.  To the best of my knowledge, they all cooperated and payed out their noses.

Carolyn

[moonfire]

So you became the "Martha S" in your community as they did the same thing to her....

"Just Me, Lo" Loretta

[Carolyn]

Yes exactly.  Every where I went, people whispered and giggled.  I had been very active in my church, and was a Sunday school teacher for the teenagers.  Almost the entire church community turned against me.  It broke my heart.  You would've thought I  had burned their homes down or something equally bad.  Of course, now they're real sweet.  You know the type, sugar wouldn't melt in their mouths.

Carolyn

[moonfire]

Hmmm, did the church do that too?  Oh, yeah...the lovely sugary type...I had something similar happen when I sent my son to Kansas one summer and my biological mother and him got into it...(he was my scientist and also, he was the principal person in the family(Just like him mom...oh brother!)He would verbalize something if he didn't think it was right?  So she hit my son on the head with a shoe! He threw it back at her and it struck her cheek(can't blame him, as she had cursed him out on top of hitting him on the head for that one...)She called the police on him..he was stuck in the system for 2yrs...I had to hire an attorney and fight her legally as she tried to get him taken from me and the state of Kansas...You would not believe how they militantly took him from her house and I could not drive there quick enough (51/2hrs from here)to protect him.  He was locked in the system, we went to court the next day...they ordered him into an immediate Juvenile home...I was stunned...I hired an attorney quickly...my mother was going down for this one...she told the court I was hooked on drugs and an alcoholic mother!!!  I came back distraught of losing one of my sons and swore she would never have another one visit her again let alone see her once he was free!  They allowed her more rights than me...a parent with nothing taken away from her and they assumed it was true.  They did background checks on me, home studies, etc...and I was clean as a whistle...sanely sound(oh, boy...how did I pass that one?  LOL)Kids were stable...and then another big whammie...I was a single parent and could not provide a stablized male influence in their lives..they wanted to work with Texas about removing kids...uh, Texas told them to kiss their hind quarters after they did their investigation and home studies again...stating that their findings was I was a single parent without support from the father and reviewing my court documents from the divorce, agreed that the father should have no rights to them at all as he would definitely be detrimental in their lives as an influence.  Texas social worker stated she could not believe she was doing homestudies on us...she felt like it was a waste of time as I was providing a home(which I was buying)clothes, and food.  Also, the boys were busy with activities, school grades were honor roll for each of them...when Michael went there, he manipulated the system, he wouldn't go to school as they couldn't make him, it was against his rights, flunking grades, intolerable behaviour.  I was angry and took action and dared them to come up against my decision to be a distant parent...I went to Kansas once a month(all the visitation they would allow me)made daily calls to wake him up for school in the morning(as the state didn't know what to do??)"bribed him with a gameboy so he would go to school and pull up those stupid grades he was getting(he did not get in trouble for as they advised him of his rights there)called him after I would get off work to make sure he attended school and was doing his work..etc..He did and passed...when I rewarded him with gameboy...the state became angry...They said it was bribery...I accused them of trying to keep my son from me (which the courts agreed)and trying to turn him into a real juvenile...they put him on ridlin and some other ridiculous medicine...I had to fire my attorney as he was not doing anything he was supposed to and working in their hands...I was advised by the judge this was not a wise move and I advised the judge back after reviewing the amount of money I paid and the representation I received I had a 50-50 chance...I had to take parenting classes and they released me after 3 classes as I took all the written tests and passed...geez.  Judge thought it was impressive...I told her I thought it was ridiculous as no one tested me before I had those kids...she laughed.  Then December 10, 2002 arrived the day Michael was supposed to be released back to me after my victory...mother was sad as she knew she would never see my kids again while she was alive.  I faced her in court and told her in front of the judge and her representative and that she made a big mistake with me as she did my father...but my kids will always be the closest thing to me....she should've decided on having a relationship with me instead of trying to have my kids taken from me.  As she found out, I was not a drug addict nor an alcoholic but through the findings of the court, home studies, and in person, I was more of a parent than she was ever to me, to take this to heart and try to forgive my father who has passed on and stop hating herself and learn to live again.  The Judge applauded on my final statement.  I addressed the state of Kansas and their representation to let them know I wanted to make sure they were aware of my written orders of release of my wonderful son they promised to never let me have him again(which the lady who said that was fired for that horrible statement)That they better pray for the 7yrs I have to think about a recourse in action to take against them they better be quiet and never militantly take any of my sons whenever I am in the state of Kansas and also comply to the courts orders as I am watching them carefully and have an attorney in Texas who would be glad to take them to court...I advised them my son would be in a doctor's office first thing to be re-evaluated for all the diagnosis they gave him and the medicine better not affect him as he will can take them to court later when he is old enough.  The state rested their case and wished me luck and no more than that as a statement...which I was documented still...my records were better than theirs...it was not a pretty 2 years...I lost time with my son...but what a joyful reunion when they had to bring him back 100 miles away from my home...I would like to say this was the end of Kansas issues...but it was not...I had to deal with them infringing on my rights as a parent as they took valuable documents from me and lost them...but I did get them returned after another court battle (birth certificate and shot records)School here did not want Michael in school without them...I had to use our constitution to keep him in school...Yes, Carolyn, the school knew me by name everytime I walked in it...I don't think they cared for me much...hehe

"Just Me, Lo" Loretta

[Karen W.]

Man Loretta, I am so glad you are my friend... you stood up and fought for those children as I know you would as you have for me... You are a wonderful mother and I think you Deserve a star!!!!! I wish I could give you one.... Daniel.. Can you give the lady a star??? I don't know how to do the pics!!

Karen

[Carolyn]

OMG Loretta.  That's a terrible thing to have to go through.  I can't imagine how difficult that must've been.  Your boys are blessed to have you as their mom. I'm so sorry that happenend to you and your family.  I bet you found out you had a lot more strength than you ever thought possible.  Maybe we should start calling you bad a betty.

Carolyn

[Mirage]

Loretta, that is truel unbelievable, it's so sad that you and your boys had to go through that. I'm blown away, I don't know what to say apart from you are an amazing wonderful woman.

And that also goes to you Karen and Carolyn, you girls, and not forgetting Gaia are my favourite internet girls (and my friend tracie on another site). I love you all, you are all truely amazing, wonderful, special, lovely and sexy girls.

Ooooop almost forgot this


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Flying Monkey Slayer AKA The Big Cheese says:

Of all the things I have lost, I miss my mind the most

[Gaia]

Lo, your kids are SO lucky to have you as their mum!


Gaia  xxx

[moonfire]

quote:Originally posted by Karen W.

Man Loretta, I am so glad you are my friend... you stood up and fought for those children as I know you would as you have for me... You are a wonderful mother and I think you Deserve a star!!!!! I wish I could give you one.... Daniel.. Can you give the lady a star??? I don't know how to do the pics!!

Karen

Yeah, it was the most stressful time in my life ever!  At the same time that Kansas took my son, I made it back and my house caught on fire.  Then the smart socialworker called me and said, "I would never get my son back!" I was a documenting queen....2 months later, she lost her job once I made copies of my documented phone calls with dates and times on it along with copies of my phone bills...uh, they had to do something quick with her...I was just a bit upset and my attorney had to be told what to do and that is why after so long into the process I fired him and went on my own.  They kept sending me documents of trying to get me to sign over my son....I would send them back certified with no signature....with one phrase written across it....I will see you in court, please send the date and time when you get this on the docket!

You are so wonderful thank you Karen!  I am that way with anyone dear to me.  My job was very supportive as I told them when it came to my family I will fight to survive, but we will be together!  [B)]  They supported me and said, just let us know when you need off and we will honour that...and they did![]

"Just Me, Lo" Loretta

[moonfire]

quote:Originally posted by Carolyn

OMG Loretta.  That's a terrible thing to have to go through.  I can't imagine how difficult that must've been.  Your boys are blessed to have you as their mom. I'm so sorry that happenend to you and your family.  I bet you found out you had a lot more strength than you ever thought possible.  Maybe we should start calling you bad a betty.

Carolyn

Carolyn, I felt like my life was taken, I was physically ill from stress during that first week and lost more sleep than I care to remember.  I cried and cried.  Those heartless socialworkers would hang up on me and much more.  I wanted answers and they would tell me my answers would be when I gave in and gave up my son.  They told me they would run me out of money before I would get my son.  I told them they would have to kill me first before I would ever give up....and then told me I was suicidal!  aagghh!  I did not think I was going to make it, but I did.[]  I will never forget the look in my mother's eye when I told her that in the courtroom.  She never apologized and I still gave her a chance before she died...but she died before we could see her on her deathbed.[]

"Just Me, Lo" Loretta

[Carolyn]

Lo - I'm so proud to know you.  You are a true example of "that which does not kill us makes us stronger". You obviously excell at the hardest job on the planet.  Being a parent. Love you babe!

Carolyn

[moonfire]

quote:Originally posted by Gaia

Lo, your kids are SO lucky to have you as their mum!


Gaia  xxx

Thank you Gaia!  I felt so bad as my oldest and youngest missed out on a lot of things those two years.  I told them as a family we must do everything we can to keep from losing one another...I pray they remember it.  After reviewing my son's Magnum's page...he has as his hero me!  LOL  It made me feel good anyways.  He knows I went to bat for him in a couple of situations too...and I do believe he remembers.[]

"Just Me, Lo" Loretta

[moonfire]

Carolyn, you are wonderful to say so.  I made a lot of mistakes as for some reason, when the little guys were born someone threw away their manuals?  Parenting was the toughest thing I have ever done...I think the hardest part was discipline...in fact, my middle son said he thought it was funny as I would ground them to school when we got home when they were grounded...hehe  They would get out of school come home, sit on the couch for 30 mins to begin with gripe about their day...then I would oversee them with their homework, and additionally give them a page(from computer)of their weakest subject and they had 30 minutes to complete the assignment and turn it in.  Sometimes it would be fun and sometimes not.  Michael would try to be funny and try to get out of "my class" like can he see the principal.  I would grab a hat and put it on...hehe  He would be in shock after I told him now I am the principal what I could help him with..and so on and so on for different characters from the school, counselor, advisor, cafeteria lady-as he couldn't wait for his snack before dinner...Magnum and Danny would just play along with it so school would be over quicker.  LOL  

Love you too as you are an amazing parent too.

"Just Me, Lo" Loretta

[Karen W.]

Wow Loretta you are definetly a keeper!! GOOD FOR YOU TO STAND SO STRONG!!

Karen

[moonfire]

Those boys had me going...2 of the 3 didnt like writing so essays was the order for them..hehe

"Just Me, Lo" Loretta