[deathbyego]

While the definition of rape has always been flawed, keep in mind it was originally drafted in the 1800s. Traditionally it was defined as unlawful carnal knowledge by man of a woman by force and without consent. Carnal knowledge, for those who don't know, means knowing the other sexually, which means you must have penetration no matter how slight, but this applies to genital contact.

In the past few years, I know that the Pennsylvania legislature passed a revised version of that law:
"Person commits rape when he or she engages in sexual intercourse without complainant's consent"
The conditions of that are as follows:
1) by forcible compulsion
2) with an unconscious person
3) by use of drugs or intoxicants
4) who suffers from a mental disability
5) who is less than 13 years

As for penetration by an object in the anus, depending where you are from, that would fall under sodimy, or sexual assault, which is only a felony of the 2nd degree.

As for the original topic, female on male rape is very much possible as already stated. Drugs could be involved, such as Viagra, or anus stimulation through the prostrate could occur, but also penial erections are also control by spinal reflexes. It's been known that spinal injury victims often get a spontaneous erection.

As for legally, can a man be raped? Technically yes, but it would more likely fall under sexual assault.

Also, sorry for being redundant, if I appeared to be.

[MayoFlyFarmer]

[:0]13?!!!  what are they doing out in Pennsylvania?? Why even have an age if you're going to make it 13?!!!![xx(]

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[gsmollin]

The age of consent in PA is 18, but that's between an 18 year old, and any other adult, like some 72 year old who wants a trophy wife. The situation gets more complicated when the sexual intercourse is between two consenting minors, or a minor and an adult who's ages are close. There is some leeway in the law for that, although I don't know the chapters and verses.

People also get married before the age of 18, and not just in Pennsylvania! I think 13 is the minimum age for marriage, although that seems pretty tender to me. I know that has been an issue in some rural areas in Utah, where older men have taken 13 year old wives who were coerced into the marriage, but I think that is another thread in another forum.

To get back to raping a man, I have seen electrical devices for sale that are supposed to be inserted into the rectum, near the prostate, and can be set to cause an erection. I have never tried one, although I have seen an .mpeg of something similar in operation that came off of a newsgroup. I don't think I got to the end of it though, and deleted it, so don't ask me to send it.

[Big_Jules]

I agree with the short sharp statement from Chris.

If a woman wanted to (re)gain power over a man, supporting the conception of rape as a power rather than sex crime, then forcible, non-concensual insertion of an object into an orifice, that may be construed as sexual (e.g. the anus - not sure about the mouth...), could (should) be seen as rape.

Of course, can mental torment, particularly with regard to 'extortion' of sex, be viewed as rape? (Note sure if that thought is fully formed, but I put it out there...)

[MayoFlyFarmer]

I always had one problem with saying rape is a crime about power and not sex.  While I agree with this, I have to add that isn't all sex about power to some extent??

Lift your skinny fists, like antennas to hevan!

[roberth]

quote:Originally posted by MayoFlyFarmer

I always had one problem with saying rape is a crime about power and not sex.  While I agree with this, I have to add that isn't all sex about power to some extent??

Lift your skinny fists, like antennas to hevan!

Sorry Mayo, but I disagree. Sex is about enjoying someone's physical presence with mutual pleasure, contentment and respect. Having physical fantasies fulfilled, stress and tension released and just plain fun are more the qualities of sex than anything to do with power trips. Well, it is with me, anyway.

BTW, do you have a spell checker on your computer? Some of your posts are difficult to decipher!

[christianchick]

rape is forcing someone to do a sexual activity when they simply do not want to, if they do not want to be raped(which i am sure they don't) they probably aren't going to get very excited about it, the fact is the woman sexually violated the man without his consent and taht my friend is rape:)

Greetings in Christ Jesus my Lord

[MayoFlyFarmer]

I'm sorry if my spelling cornfuses you.  its always been horrible, and my typing skills don't help matters any.  No spell checker, sorry.  I don't think its too bad in this thread though, is it??
To reply to your comment I agree with everything that you say that sex is, but part of what lets you enjoy the presence of your partner is the intamacy of the act (otherwise you could just enjoy the presence of your partner while cleaning the bathroom together).  I think that a great deal of what makes sex such an intimate act is how vulnerable you are to eachother.  To me the opposite of vulnerability is power.  So in essence you are both enjoying power over one another.  Although in an ideal situation this should balance out.  I hope this logic works at least somewhat.  I knew that by just stating that all sex was about power I left myself open to criticism (and probably cmae off sounding really creepy) but I wanted to see what responses it drew.

Lift your skinny fists, like antennas to hevan!

[Claire (OP)]

"rape is forcing someone to do a sexual activity when they simply do not want to, if they do not want to be raped(which i am sure they don't) they probably aren't going to get very excited about it, the fact is the woman sexually violated the man without his consent and taht my friend is rape:)"

Christian Chick - rape is to do with penetration in this country, it's not simply forcing someone to do something sexual they don't want to.
Not all sexual activities involve penetration. so a woman can't rape a man unless she can force him to penetrate her without his consent. That's the issue....some really interesting replies to this post!

I did well in my essay in the end although I was a bit irritated by my examiners comment that the issue of whether a woman can rape a man is not relevant to consent. The current law surely implies that men alway consent to sex with a woman, something your replies show needs to be seriously questioned. (but I still got a distinction so I didn't care too much about that comment [])

"Crushing truths perish by being acknowledged." Albert Camus

[gsmollin]

Claire- Jeez, I should have saved that electrical stimulation mpeg, and sent it to your examiner. It might give him pause about his parochial views on rape.

[Donnah]

I gather the examiner who made the comment is male.  If he thinks being raped has nothing to do with (lack of) consent, then he's never been raped.

[chris]

Yeah, he needs a damn good nobbing !

C

"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception"
 - Groucho Marx

[Claire (OP)]

quote:Originally posted by chris

Yeah, he needs a damn good nobbing !

C

LOL!!!
Good'ay Chris

"Crushing truths perish by being acknowledged." Albert Camus

[Donnah]

Okay Chris, you get the broom and I'll pin him down![]

[drkev]

The legal definition of rape is sexual intercourse without a person's consent. In the UK it is (quite wrongly) impossible for a Woman to rape a man. An erection can be forced with drugs etc or if the guy is drunk with an erection and does not consent to sex if the woman climbs on is this not rape???

If a woman is drunk and a male has sex with her this is technically rape. It would appear that if the woman does not say the words "I give you permission to have sex with me" then the male has raped her. I have researched this extensively and have found the following: If a woman changes her mind during sex, the male has raped her.<<< FACT

If you are out clubbing and you meet a young lady who is performing sexual behaviour and imlpying she wants sex (you can use your imagination) then the guy is quite right to assume she wants sex especially if she comes back to his house and gets naked in his bed. But, if she wakes up the next morning and regrets it she can quite rightly claim he raped her.

Not fair is it when have you ever asked permission for sex??? or do you just do it?

Live long and Love life

Kevin Fisher

[gsmollin]

I have often said "Regrets is not rape.", precisely because of the scenario you have given. I do not believe that consent has to be verbal, however, although I cannot speak with authority about British law. Whether consent was given non-verbally, (e.g. she's climbing all over you) or "May I **** you now?" is answered with "Certainly!", without witnesses, one is not able to prove one was given consent. Perhaps a written form, a contract, is in order. I imagine it should be notarized. Of course, that does not guarantee she won't change her mind.

[drkev]

unfortunately there is no such thing as implied consent there have been cases where people have been prosecuted because climbing all over someone is not consenting to sex

Live long and Love life

Kevin Fisher

[bezoar]

Hey, I like the idea of a written contract.  But then, if he's a dud in bed, can I sue him for breach of contract?

[drkev]

can i sue my ex for giving me an STD then?

Live long and Love life

Kevin Fisher

[tweener]

I don't know about the UK, but over here you can sue anyone for anything, and, because we are an equal opportunity country, you have an equal chance of winning.

----
John - The Eternal Pessimist.