[Guthrie]

Hi hk1979,

Could you say a little more about how your DHEA, etc. program has improved your symptoms?  Are your POIS symptoms completely gone?

[Dave23]

Hallo it is me again, the guy with the DHEA formula. Fist of all, I am completely against strong pills that interfere with body processes and are completely for health supplements.

Prescription pills like Prozac, Ritalin has helped me in the past, but it just messed up other systems in my body.

I am not a doctor, so I cannot give you the details of the dosages that you should use, but I will let you in on ecactly what I did in order to recover from this bloody problem after orgasms.

First of all, I was smoking cigarettes. I stopped last year August. That was done. Then I stopped drinking coffee at work, as our coffee at work is quite strong, and it messed up my sleep cycle. I basically did a detox of two weeks, to get rid of pathogens in the body like worms and stuff. You stop eating protein rich things for 2 weeks, and drink 1000mg MSM Methylsulfonylmethane each day. I drank a lot of water, and drank tea instead of coffee. It was a very bad 2 weeks, but not as bad as the decades of POIS!

Then the DHEA treatment started. The docter prescribed 90 25mg pills of DHEA to me. 2 pills (50mg) each morning I wake up with 1000mg L-Tyrosine on an empty stomach. I also take one pill of DHEA directly after sex, and only if it is 6 hours after the first dosage of the day (It has something to do with the hormonal cycles). Meaning if you wake up in the morning, and you take your DHEA dose, if you have sex after that, don't take DHEA immediately again.

It is South African branded I don't know if you get it in your country:
http://www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=5161 [nofollow]
http://www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=74 [nofollow]
http://www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=119 [nofollow]

After one month I switched to a safer DHEA supplement:
http://www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=6 [nofollow]

I also added two more health supplements in the morning to the tyrisone and herbal DHEA 7-Keto to further help me get rid of POIS:

-Siberian Ginseng (not called like this in the USA anymore)
-Phosphatidylserine (PS)
http://www.solaltech.com/new/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=93 [nofollow]

The whole trick of getting rid of POIS, is to decrease the constant release of Cortisol (Stress Hormone) and increase the release of DHEA (Sex Hormone). And then to take herbal supplements to maintain the correct balance. It takes time and patience, and although there are drugs out there like Ephedrine and Stimulants that immediately reduces cortisol, it is not the solution only part of a bigger problem being that you have a big hormonal imbalance problem.

Good luck and I hope I can make a change in your lives.

If you want to lower / regulate cortisol levels take a supplement called Relora/Retain 2. The herb in it reduces cortisol levels and increases dhea levels up too 200% via natural pathways.(Take blood test before and after too check the levels)

Anabolicminds.com is a great forum for people who have tried Relora/Retain too increase dhea levels and lower/regulate cortisol levels.


Some good news.

Ive been on H.R.T and having hormone and neurotransmitter blood tests since July/August last year.

My H.R.T protocol is  :

Testosterone cypionate at 28mg E2D schedule and 250ius of HCG E2D.

Dostinex 500mcg-1000mcg same day of release(Now Iam begining too taper off dostinex as I read before there has been studies that uses of dostinex can lead too heart valve problems but the study tested for doses at above 20000mcg taking every day non stop for parkinson disease patients.

I take only 500mcg-1000mcg 3-4 times a week so should be ok and so far no side effects.

Aromasin 10mgs E2D

5Htp 200-400mg ED 300mg after release due to Serotonin drop

Relora 750-1500mg ED too regulate cortisol levels especially the day after release and too keep Dhea levels at healthy range for my age 23

Gaba at 200-300mg a day due to low levels and drop after release

I take a supplement called Powerfull too increase hgh/igf-1 levels.It has been scientifically proven too increase hgh levels up too 221% in one dose.

I cycle on 1 month/1month off and then I inject Igf-1 20mcg E4D
for same cycle 1 month on 1 month off too increase my IGF-1 levels as it was low before but now it is in the healthy range :0)

I also take Reset Ad for adrenal fatigue due too years of taking simulants since age 16. This has really helped my energy levels and adrenal fatigue. You can check on anabolicminds.com forum and just about everyone who has taking this supplement has helped with their adrenal fatigue.

I take 200mg of Dim ED to convert the bad estrogens too good estrogen
(Improve Estrogen Bad - good ratio levels)

Its been around 4 weeks of constant no POSI symptoms and the following results :

Lost around 9 pounds in 4 weeks due to increase energy to train more. Body is much more muscular and lost around 3 inches of fat from my waist in 4 weeks. People have noticed it big time.

Training boxing, mma, circuit training twice a day. As active as i was
when aged 16 competing in Amateur boxing. Was also doing weights for a couple of weeks 5 times a week too see if my body would recover like it would when i was 16-18 when I had no POIS/adrenal fatigue/hormone imbalance problems. My body recovered no problem and thats when i knew my health was improving.

(Ive always training boxing workouts/drills since 16 but when POIS, adrenal fatigue and hormone imbalnce problems were at their worst I did not have much energy but still pushed myself too train at least twice a week but it was so dificult, felt like passing out sometimes and got really dizzy then would hit a big low after each training session. So I would question myself if training was really doing me any good but still kept pushing.

Libido gradually went from one release every 2 weeks
too 1 release every 2nd day now. I could easily have a release Ed if I wanted but I do train 2-3 hours every day too the point of fatigue and constantly trying too push myself. I want too improve my boxing/mma skills and also cardio, explosiveness etc Lastly too get ripped like when I was aged 16-18. I miss that build.

A POIS symptom :

I might get some slight inflamation to my eyes the day after release
but nothing major and only lasts 2-3 hours.

No more flu like symptoms, fatigue, migraines, sore bones, joints, back, legs muscles etc No more anxiety and overall nervousness. I Can socialise much better, seemed to have found my ole personailty back ie sense of humor, eye contact , poise, laughter/smile, timing, flirting/ wittiness etc

I waited around 4 weeks of constant results before posting too confirm consistency of my POIS.

Sometimes if i push myself abit too much the same day in training, say i do 30mins running/skipping or 15min sprinting drills and 60mins of mma in the morning then I do another 30mins of running/skipping  and say another 60mins of
boxing/mma in the evening and then if I have a release, I might notice the next day my energy isnt the same or its a little tougher too wake up but quickly picks up once I get into my morning training.

The best way too find out what hormones/neurotransmitters are imbalanced is go for a hormone/neurotransmitter blood test 2 days after release and then another test say 4-6 hours after just releasing.

You should see your test/dhea levels are lower, prolactin cortisol levels much higher. Also serotonin/dopamine/gaba levels should be much lower
4-6 hours after release or whenever it is when you feel the POIS are at its worst.

Any questions feel free to ask me. I know how hard it is too wake up everyday since aged only 21 with POIS symptoms and no matter who you are it effects your life big time so iam happy to help :0)

[hk1979]

Yes Dave23 is right on track. When you have POIS, the best thing to do is to check hormones and cortisol, and your doctor should direct you to the right prescriptions. Things like stimulants (coffee, ephedrine, ecstacy) might feel like it helps but it worsens.

To answer Guthrie's question, my POIS symptoms have not completely disappeared, but at least, if I measure myself on a weekly basis, I am getting better than I am getting worse (like it has been last year).

When I was a student in my early twenties I used to get a hold of ecstasy and viagra, and I could just have 5-10 orgasms overnight and it was fun, and things were going fine until I slept and woke up again. I felt horribly tired and exhausted.

But yes I will also look at Dave23's advise, and maybe we can put together a general treatment that will be able to help everyone. But don't expect relief from POIS within a month. Your body has to stabilise and it doesn't happen overnight if you are older than 30.

Have Faith.

[demografx]

Do you think hormones and cortisol are affected by Levitra? It definitely works.

[hk1979]

Yes Levitra helps for cholestrol, high blood pressure and diabetes, but it is a drug that causes chemical reactions in your body, to relief the symptoms of POIS but disturbs something else, meaning you can't take Levitra forever. On the other hand you can take supplements into your 80's.

[demografx]

I see no disturbance with Levitra, and only take a mild dose to aid dysfunction, which coincides with POIS timing. No reason to ever quit doing that. I think I simply got lucky.

[demografx]

hk1979, are we talking about Levitra? The primary thing it's prescribed for is ED (erectile dysfunction), not as you say "cholesterol, high blood pressure and diabetes," although it works even for people with those conditions.

[solution]

It is like the intestine gets irritated because an abnormal mucus secretion on it. That produces a high constipation of the intestine, until almost get blocked. That intestine disorder make arise all other discomforts like to sweat, gases, acne, nervousism, tension, constipation, fatigue, depresion, irritation, alergic like sensation, pain in the shoulder muscles, appetite, bad breath, dilated pupils, watery eyes, headaches and hemorroides among others.
Emptying everything, cleaning as much as possible the whole bowel should get a big relief to all those inconveniences.
I don´t know why that abnormal mucus secretion occurs, but I am certain that mucus on the bowel and gases originates all the discomforts, in some way irritating the intestine walls, and this is reflected in the whole body.
The interesting thing would be encounter a cure to avoid that abnormal secretion.

[solution]

B_Jim: I have pois symthoms and investigating with my body found those statements. Im not a doctor or medic of any type, I am just one more POS affected and interested in the cure of those problems.
What I´ve been tested was with the help of bathroom bidet evacuating out the fecal matter as much  as possible. The improvements are striking.
But would be wonderfull find a solution to the roots of the problem, this is why there is a lack of something when POS.

[sokovan]

i was thinking that i am the only male in the world who have this problem,
until today, by luck i have found this thread.
the bad think about this P.O.I.S  is that doctors do not know what you are talking about, i am now 54 years old, who suffer too much from this problem, but this problem does not appear until i was about 30 years old, i remember that when i was a young that sometimes i masturbate three times or more in a one day without suffering from any illness.
but at 30 years old my suffering last only a one day, and after many years it is extended to two days after orgasm, and after many years it is extended to 3 days, and now i need 4 days to resort to a normal.
my main suffering is from the black halo around my eyes, and it is very clear, and this is a very embarrassing , as i am wearing a long Hat with a flag on it; hello people look at me. very annoying state.
i have found that any calming medicine such as the valium like medicine will reduce the illness symptoms, but as a law i must live a whole 4 days until i reliefed completely. the worst black halos around the eyes is in the third day, and not the first day.
i think that ejaculating the sperm is as making a wound in the body, most the people will be reliefed within hours, since they will compensate what they lose, but the miserable people like me will wait 3-4 days until some strange cells (may be in the brain ) will cooking the chemicals neccessary for the new formation of sperm, what a fuckin life!!, sometimes i be very very angry from this status.
for you the people with this bad luck, do not go to doctors, they will not benefit you in this case, you have no big stone in your kidney, nor an evident blood clot, so keep your money, until some medical researcher who will by chance suffer from this syndrome, will focus his research to solve the most annoying illness in the world. i hope this thread will continue to live as an unofficial site for the "Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome", so we can continue to look at what the other people do to this problem.
by the way i have no tonsils, no uvula, due to a surgery when i was 4 years old. when i was thinking that i am the only person in the world who have this illness i was convinced that the lacking of uvula and tonsils may be somehow the case of my problem, but now, and in reality exactly today i have changed my mind unless half the people who suffer from this illness have no tonsils.
and an advice to the medicine factories, why not manufaturing a medicine to relief the symptoms of this illness, i am sure that millions will consume that medicine, even the normal people.
and to the doctors who said that this is normal: yes this is normal if the symptoms last at most one day , but not 3 to 4 days or more.
and to a brave writer who want to make million dollars, just write a public book with a title: "Post Orgasmic Illness"  without the word "Syndrome" and you will see if a 5 million copies will be sold. especially if the book have pictures like my eyes before orgasm, and my eyes after 3 days.
to "solution" : your research deserve respect, but it is very hard to clean out completely the intestine, the best solution is to invent some medicine which will dissolved such a mucus secretion, and if that mucus secretion is the case of the illness then a study to its chemical structure may pave the way to a cure. or may be this mucus secretion prohibit the manufacturing of neurotransmitters in the brain?? so needs a more experiments with multiview points in diverse directions.
personally i think it is from the brain, the brain lose neurotransmitters or can't manufacturing it due to strange factor happened after losing sperm and other liquids during orgasm, this is because all my illness in my brain neighborhood:
halos around the eyes, deep sleep, can't focus, memory problems... .
happy living for all

[solution]

The stress in the bowell does the whole body get too much tired and stressed.

[hk1979]

this is great "solution" we are getting closer...  my doctor just phoned me the other day and he thinks it is because I psychologically don't have "stress-less" sex. He is kind of right because I stress that I will get POIS again! But yes my ass gets itchy as well as some digestive problems. I started taking probiotics as well, lets see if that will help.

[sokovan]

hi
to "solution" , from the beginning of my problem at age 30 to the age of about 50 i have no problems with digestive tracts, whether before or after orgasm.
and from 50 years old to nowadays (54) i have  constipation in general, i have noticed that after orgasm the constipation are released sometimes.
before an hour i have taken two table spoon of castor oil, i am waiting its effect. i want to test your theory, but washing the intestine with water, this is something hard, i prefer to wait the 4 days util my symptoms disappear.
regards

[solution]

hk1979 good idea, let us know!


sokovan it is normal that sometimes  that after orgasm the constipation are released sometimes. Normally when the bowell is full an orgasm triggers go to bath.

[hk1979]

demografx

You are right, Levitra is marketed mainnly for ED, but also the others, check http://www.levitra.com/ [nofollow]

Why I am getting at is that maybe the others are related to ED.

Just a quick summary of things that we discussed might cause POIS:

- Low Testosterone
- Low DHEA
- High Cortisol
- Cholestrol, Blood Pressure, Diabetes
- Unhealthy Intestine

And a summary of cures that I can remember reading throug the thread:

- Stimulants like coffee, ephedrine
- Hormone Replacement Therapy like DHEA, Testosterone
- Erectile Dysfunction pills like Levitra
- Cortisol blockers like Lerora
- Blood Sugar Stabillizers like CLA (Conjugated Linolic Acid)
- Probiotics and Prebiotics for Intestine Health

If there is anything left out please add to the list. I think we are all a little bit different with treatment reacting to POIS, but I am sure if all of the above is shown to your doctor he might give you a daily prescription to fit your specific situation.

[fiddlerpaul]

Hi everyone.  After a lot of futile searches I finally found your forum with the magic combo of search words. 
I really had felt alone with this POIS thing, as many of you I see. 

I've read some but not all of your posts and am pursuing some suggestions.

Here's my situation:

I'm 54 and have had this POIS thing since around 20 or so.  I masturbated almost daily in my teens but don't remember having any real problem with it though I didn't feel really good about the way I felt after doing it.

My general symptoms haven't changed much over the years, but it has got worse with age. As I've aged I've found myself more prone to anxiety and even had a run in with severe depression 6 years ago which took a few years to rise out of.  I associate this with age and lower testosterone. My general drive and motivation has dropped a fair bit in the last 10-15 years.
My more serious POIS symptoms don't really kick in until about 12-24 hours after ejaculation.  It seems there's some kind of energy rush created in my body that sustains me a while until the big letdown.  The hormones are flowing in the veins so to speak, so I feel ok for a bit, though I know things are shifted and can feel a little off.

-the worst thing is a feeling just above my belly button in what I believe to be the solar plexus chakra area (for those who understand that stuff).  It's kind of like an open emotional vulnerability and my nerves in general are jangled a bit.  I have a very weakened ability to deal with noise and people, though I can still function if I have to.  Everything just seems to bother me, especially having to be very active or deal with any kind of stress.

-definitely weakened immune system
-lower energy
-a tendency to be despondent and feel life's kind of meaningless.  This comes in the second day after and doesn't usually last more than the one day or two at most.
-difficulty concentrating

It can really vary in intensity and duration.  I am convinced there is some psychological aspect as I have breezed through it some times.

I did once experience 3 months where I felt great after orgasms but this was because I had an experience of spiritual detachment for that whole time.  (this would take a long time to explain how it happened and why it ended, but I'll save that for another time.  Suffice to say I experienced myself as separate and beyond the effects of the world, which allowed me to have a much higher level of energy and well being...I was very sad to see it go but had no choice)

As has been mentioned,  part of what can make it much easier to get through is to have no responsibilities for the two days after...not something I can managed all the time.  I do try to time my orgasms at the beginning of my days off.

One other thing I'm really excited about, though I am not convinced it can be a long term solution, is this new way of masturbating that I think I discovered on this forum. The guy calls it Energy Work.
Wow, just was going to post the link and the guy has taken down the site for good!

I'll go into what I learned from this fellow if you guys would like. Have any others tried this?  It's pretty simple and has really changed my approach to my sex drive and given me way better orgasms over my whole body without ejaculation.  It's also kind of diverted my sexual energy out of the lust area (genitals only) and spread it over my whole body, which feels healthier and more balanced.
The reason I'm skeptical for the long term is I've always experienced myself getting to that point of needing a sexual release after 2-3 weeks...so far it's only been about 12 days, so I'm not sure yet where this will go.

I've also just got an order of DHEA and have started an L-Tyrosine supplement. 
I did read a site with cautions about DHEA so I'm going to start pretty slow with it.

I should add that my wife seems to have lost her sex drive the last few years, so that part of my life is lukewarm at best.  I've always been sensitive to energy and have developed the ability to experience sexual energy in other ways besides ejaculation, but the body being built the way it is, it inevitably seems to work itself to that point, just like hunger for food.

Look forward to more discussion...
Paul

[demografx]

WELCOME TO ALL THE NEWCOMERS!

It is great to see this growing "family" of people here, most who thought no one else in the world suffers from POIS! This Forum has been a GREAT help in finding remedies. Who knows? In a short time we may have answers for everyone!

[Guthrie]

Hi all,

Fiddlerpaul just mentioned that he had to get lucky with the right combination of search terms in order to find this thread.  I wonder if there is a way to make it easier for people who do a google search to find us.  In other words, could we come up with a list of the different possible searches people might do ("post orgasmic fatigue," "tired after ejaculation," etc.), and attach it to this thread somehow, so that it would come up near the top of a google search?

Perhaps neilep or one of the other administrators could figure out a way to do this. 

[hk1979]

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[solution]

   
Someone may try rye bread? I have tried and I have been greatly affected during a pois. It would be interesting if someone test to see whether the effects are the same.
The bread in question is it`s  known as Pumpernickel
It should be consumed during the week opened, and it is very sensitive to moisture
check this images

http://www.recipetips.com/kitchen/images/refimages/bread/types/bread_pumpernickel2_500.jpg

http://gerech.net/images/pumpernickel.jpg