[demografx]

JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW:  I emailed and requested the recovered ex-POIS forum member to post his story on the
site. He sounds like he might be willing to do that some time. He is very informed on hormonal issues, so I hope he does.

Great, girlwind! I also emailed a dozen or so early forum members who posted, inviting them back (just to tune in, not to necessarily post like you suggested, which was terrific). Hope they do come back. Or maybe they've been back and are just quiet.

[demografx]

Here is the site of Dr. Louis Ignarro, Professor of Molecular Biology at UCLA. He won a nobel prize for his research in NO as it relates to heart disease prevention. Theres are some videos in which he explains NO.

http://www.drignarro.com/about.php

This supplement was made in consultation with him, it's a bit pricey but perhaps it's good.

http://www.amazon.com/Herbalife-Niteworks/dp/B0009XFJ40


Another NO supplement that sounds interesting:

http://www.amazon.com/Oxegen-Stimulator-Vasodilator-Dietary-Supplement/dp/B000E9V6IW

John, great sleuthing!

[Finally]

SOME OBSERVATIONS:

After my last orgasm (saturday)I immediately took some sea salt and used ice packs to cool off the fever areas shoulder, neck, face and one down my pants.
I woke Sunday a little tired but not feeling too bad.  libido was back to full strength.  My muscles have been feeling  a little stiff  the last few days but getting better.
Sea salt does contain a lot of iodine.  I am slowly beginning to try Dhea although the lab tests showed it normal.  I have started at 10 mg/day.  It is rough to take on an empty stomach though.

I took Argenine at one time.  It gave me harder, fuller erections but I didn't notice any Pois benefit.  In fact I think I had more muscle stiffness.  I started getting similar symptoms from alcohol so I gave that up.  POIs is somewhat similar to a hangover. I don't know how much of a connection there is. 

Also If I have an injury sex prolongs the time it takes to heal

I take a suplement with Caffeine and Phenylalinine in the Am or 2x day with fruit juice.  It helps mood and with energy.  Also Enzymes(Bromeline, protease) and a probiotic.

The mountain success story was interesting as I seemed to have less symptoms with higher elevation and thinner air.
 

[martin88]

Hi Finally,
I'd like to know the quantity of salt you take, and is it iodized salt ?

I heard about L-citrulline in the video of the scientist who's talking about nitric oxyde, but i wasn't able to understand (english deficiency), i was hearing sertraline ... We can find this in watermelon. 
http://www.webmd.com/erectile-dysfunction/news/20080701/watermelon-a-natural-viagra
On a french site (bodyfitness-fr) they say to take a watermelon juice at each meal for 3 weeks to increase nitric oxyde by 18% . L-citrulline decrease ammoniac in the body to make L-arginine. Ornithine is also increased.

[martin88]

Biological functions
In humans, a high-salt intake has long been known to generally raise blood pressure, especially in certain individuals. More recently, it was demonstrated to attenuate nitric oxide production. Nitric oxide (NO) contributes to vessel homeostasis by inhibiting vascular smooth muscle contraction and growth, platelet aggregation, and leukocyte adhesion to the endothelium.[2][3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_chloride

[girlwind]

SOME OBSERVATIONS:

 I am slowly beginning to try Dhea although the lab tests showed it normal.  I have started at 10 mg/day.  It is rough to take on an empty stomach though.
 

I had trouble taking DHEA initially. Then I tried 7 Keto DHEA, and that was much more tolerable for me.
My DHEA levels were down below normal, and now they are up in the low normal range. I take between
25 to 100 mg/day, depending on how tired I am. It is one of the things that helped my POIS and helps
my CFS as well.

[Chewbacca]

So yesterday I was thinking about the relationship between levitra, cialis, nitric oxide and POIS. What came to mind was.....if both levitra and cialis increase the amount of nitric oxide to certain areas of the body, why does only levitra work in alleviating symptoms of POIS? It seems to me that levitra must have a different ingreidient to it than cialis does that helps our POIS symptoms. If we could isolate that ingriedient or ingriedients we might better understand why levitra works and cialis does not. Further, by understanding how those "special" ingriendients affect the body we might be able to understand the mechanisms behind POIS and maybe figure out a more robust "cure" than levitra....hypothetically speaking. What's the difference between the two? I'll look into it and see what I can find out. Maybe the differences are small. It could also be that they have the same ingriegiendts but in different proportions. However, those proportional differences could tell us something as well.

[imre1]

...Germany was the land for sexual research prior to the 1930's and...Hitler leveled it all to the ground.

Good thing it was leveled. If Hitler discovered POIS, he could've figured out a way to give it to the enemy []

I take it you don't like gays.

Well if you are wondering where your dopamine is at, maybe you should try to do somebody else.

[demografx]

FROM A PHARMACIST-LAWYER FRIEND RE LEVITRA AND POTENTIAL VISION-LOSS SIDE EFFECTS:

He writes:

" Re the vision loss from Levitra, the manufacturer states:

' Non-arteric anterior ischemic optic neuropathy (NAION), a cause of decreased vision including permanent loss of vision, has been rarely reported......Most, but not all ....had underlying anatomic or vascular risk factors for development of NAION...including age over 50, diabetes,hypertension, coronary artery disease, hyperlipedemia [elevated
cholesterol and/or LDL/and/or triglycerides] and smoking...It is not possible to determine whether the events are related directly to the use of...PDE5 inhibitors (Levitra is one). '

All drugs, prescription and OTC, have potential side effects.  It's a risk/benefit assessment. There are other side effects as well. If you have more than one of the risk factors you might want to weigh the risk vs. the benefit.  The % of reported incidents, to date, is small, but that's cold comfort if you're in that %. "

[demografx]

...Germany was the land for sexual research prior to the 1930's and...Hitler leveled it all to the ground.

Good thing it was leveled. If Hitler discovered POIS, he could've figured out a way to give it to the enemy []

I take it you don't like gays.

Well if you are wondering where your dopamine is at, maybe you should try to do somebody else.

WOW, IMRE1, FROM WHAT I WROTE, WHERE IN THE WORLD DID YOU GET THAT I "...DON'T LIKE GAYS" ? THERE IS SOME SERIOUS MISCOMMUNICATION HERE. PLEASE CLARIFY. THANKS.

[demografx]

So yesterday I was thinking about the relationship between levitra, cialis, nitric oxide and POIS. What came to mind was.....if both levitra and cialis increase the amount of nitric oxide to certain areas of the body, why does only levitra work in alleviating symptoms of POIS? It seems to me that levitra must have a different ingreidient to it than cialis does that helps our POIS symptoms. If we could isolate that ingriedient or ingriedients we might better understand why levitra works and cialis does not. Further, by understanding how those "special" ingriendients affect the body we might be able to understand the mechanisms behind POIS and maybe figure out a more robust "cure" than levitra....hypothetically speaking. What's the difference between the two? I'll look into it and see what I can find out. Maybe the differences are small. It could also be that they have the same ingriegiendts but in different proportions. However, those proportional differences could tell us something as well.

Chewbacca, thank you, this is exactly what I've been thinking for a long time!

The only thing I can add is that - in my one trial of Cialis - the ED "repair" function lasts a long, long time, 36 hours according to the manufacturer I think, while Levitra lasts about 4-6. (not sure about the exact number of hours for both but the Cialis-effectiveness time for ED is far greater than that of Levitra's.)

My conclusion is that the components - that go into Cialis to make it last much longer - somehow nullify the POIS-beneficial effects of the drug.

Keep in mind that the Cialis trial was only a one-shot event. And I was so disappointed that I don't wish to repeat it, unless an outside researcher wants me to.

[John21 (OP)]

Martin88,

I heard about L-citrulline in the video of the scientist who's talking about nitric oxyde, but i wasn't able to understand (english deficiency), i was hearing sertraline ... We can find this in watermelon.

Very interesting, thank you for this!

NO from watermelon: http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Watermelon-juice-may-be-novel-amino-acid-source

[demografx]

Martin88,

I heard about L-citrulline in the video of the scientist who's talking about nitric oxyde, but i wasn't able to understand (english deficiency), i was hearing sertraline ... We can find this in watermelon.

Very interesting, thank you for this!

NO from watermelon: http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Watermelon-juice-may-be-novel-amino-acid-source

Seems like there's a Watermelon/POIS Connection here! Yum.

[hurray]

Hi everyone!

I had the idea that since oxytocin is heavily involved in the chemistry of orgasms, it might be worth trying to supply my body with the necessary ingredients to produce more oxytocin.

Synthetic oxytocin is difficult to obtain and administer, so I thought I'd give Fenugreek a try, which is praised for its oxytocin-like properties. You can buy it at most heath stores I believe.

I took some of it before and after 2 lots of orgasms, and well ...


Wow!


I had work the next day, which normally would be an excruciating trial socially. Not that day it wasn't. I happily chatted to the boss about some complex issues, and spent a lot of the day chatting and flirting with a couple of my female co-workers .... something that would have been impossible under normal POIS circumstances.
The brain fog had been greatly reduced, while the social anxiety component of POIS had been almost completely eliminated! The following day was more of the same.

I don't want to get too excited too soon, I know drugs and herbs can become less effective as they are used more frequently, and the positive effects might not last forever. Also, maybe I have just had two particularly good days, and it will be back to normal during my next potential POIS episode.

If anybody else is thinking of taking it, it sounds very safe - in fact it is an ingredient in certain foods. Only pregnant women should stay away from Fenugreek. I'll carry on posting here as I continue taking fenugreek, I hope I will continue to have good news!

[demografx]

WOW hurray! Let's keep ALL fingers and toes crossed for repeated success! Very exciting news! Thank you so much.

[demografx]

Counterpoints, and B_Jim, I just wanted to say thank you again for helping to synthesize some of the information here.

Otherwise we could easily drown in so much of the data that we've accumulated, with no real direction!

And thank you again to everyone for stepping forward and posting your experience, theories and results!

[hurray]

Thanks Demografx, it would change my life so much for the better if the effects keep working, let's hope they do! Thanks for your support

[Finally]

Hi Finally,
I'd like to know the quantity of salt you take, and is it iodized salt ?

I am currently using Hain sea salt as a basic table salt.  I use it more than the  average person.  Anyone who sees me eat usually thinks I am going to die but I had my BP taken today and it is normal.  There may be a genetic factor in that. 
The only info is the nutritional label that says a serving(1/4 TSP) provides 45 % of daily Iodine.   If I have an orgasm I will maybe 1-2X that at once with water for "damage control".
I took a daily seaweed  supplement called sea Vegg  for a while and had positive results. I may need to get back on that.

[martin88]

Thanks Finally for this info. You may eventually want to try an organic iodine supplement instead of salt, just to see if it's iodine or sodium chloride. I think sodium chloride can be the effective ingredient or other trace minerals.
Unfortunately the NO (which we don't know if it works for pois) will be decreased with salt.
There is a supplement very rich in salt (not iodized) called quinton plasma, isotonic form is less salty). http://www.plasmaquinton.com/quinton-isotonic.php

Thank you John, i hope it will be useful. I've always been well with watermelon. The seeds have also a good effect on me.

[demografx]

INTERESTING (and humorous) NOTE FROM MY PHARMACY-LAWYER FRIEND

...there is a natural product which is touted to be a natural Viagra. I'm not making the name up.  Italian scientists have extracted the active ingredient and claim that in clinical trials it is as effective as Viagra, et al. It is also, allegedly, an herb which is effective for treating artherosclerosis and allergies. It's called Horny Goat Weed [translation from the Chinese]. There was an article about the Italian clinical trials on Yahoo last week. The active ingredient does have a similar effect to the PDE5 inhibitors.