[CertainlyPOIS]

Name of test i did are: Weschler adult intelligence scale -III,  wechsler individiual achievement test II,  Stroop Color Test, Trails A&B, and Personality Assesment Inventory. 

[prism]

demo, that post about removing your testicles to lessen the effect of pois, that was pretty radical.  i guess you could just replace them with plastic nuts and knowone would know the difference.

NOOO.
Removing the testicles wont work!!
Totally absurd, and it will ruin your life.
You'll still do the same bad muscular habits, like removing a leg because of leg pain wont work, you'll get phantom pain.

He meant chemical castration anyway- dont do this either!!!
It wont work, because it will cause depression and because
we are ALWAYS having orgasms:

WATCH THE 3D ANIMATION OF AN ORGASM AT
http://hotprivatelives.com/

It explains how we have 'orgasms' all the time.
Pois is caused by 'inhibition' or 'holding' your muscles during a main orgasm. To learn about fight or flight and how not to hold your muscles requires a learning a technique like Alexander Technique.
I had POIS for 15 years until i became an expert in the Alexander Technique, now cured, the natural way. Stops NE too. NE is also about loss of control, not as some people have wrote 'normal' to get rid of excess fluid, thats rubbish.

One more thing
-How many people have red blotches on your tongue?? and where?? I used to have a very red tip of my tongue, when that goes you're free from it.
 

[demografx]

With Demo's permission, I'm planning on setting up a separate for for our topic. Please pm me with suggestions. Thank you.

mod edit - I've asked Dean to elaborate more with a new post on the why and how of this new proposed effort - Demo

[demografx]

With Demo's permission, I'm planning on setting up a separate for for our topic. Please pm me with suggestions. Thank you.

separate what?

what topic?

CC, please note my post directly above this one. Thanks.

[demografx]

Pois is caused by 'inhibition' or 'holding' your muscles during a main orgasm. 

What??? Where is the evidence for this???

[demografx]

if you [are] talking about that tuberculosis it needs to go back.

??

CC, please explain your comment above. Thanks!

The tuberculosis  [is] that only one case in [A]merica, a form of tuberculosis that is resistant to almost all drugs. It was on aol and thought that is what you are talking about.

CC, no, sorry, but it had nothing to do with the the tuberculosis story.

Let me clarify.

My post was about the public's appetite for newsworthy publicity relating to the headline words in "Rare Illness Appears in US for First Time".

I'm more interested at this time in the headline words of that article as having translatable appeal to mass media, newspapers, TV, radio, etc...for POIS.

Based on similar headlines, I see POIS as having "publicity desirability"...because it's "rare", it's an "illness", and it's "not yet discovered in the U.S." as I'm sure you'll agree, 99%+ of all doctors here are clueless as to POIS.

So, looking at a "successful publicity blueprint", I was only trying to convey my enthusiasm for similarly "getting the word out [to the world] about POIS", which in turn should help us to more easily find researchers who can help us.

Unfortunately, as bad a story as the one on tuberculosis is, the headline obviously appealed enough to Senior Editors at AOL, who compete fiercely with all media for the readers' attention!

So I see this as getting FREE terriffic publicity/advertising consulting for POIS that can aid our future endeavors!

[demografx]

                   

      Happy New Year! Wishing For All Of Us To Have A
             Major POIS Breakthrough Year in 2010!

[Chemistry4me]

You too demografx, nice to see ya back [] 

[Dean93]

With Demo's permission, I'm planning on setting up a separate for for our topic. Please pm me with suggestions. Thank you.

mod edit - I've asked Dean to elaborate more with a new post on the why and how of this new proposed effort - Demo

Sorry everyone about my rushed last post. I'm going to make an attempt to explain it a lot better.

What I'm proposing is creating a whole forum, specifically for POIS. This thread has gotten huge, and it's about time we get a better way to organize our discussion. Instead of just having one large thread where ideas get mixed and washed over, at our own forum, of course, we could organize the topics so that they all got their due attention and focus. We could make our own announcements, and generally have more control over our own forum.

An online forum would be easy to create, (I would do the work on it, in conjunction with other forum members, if any volunteer). It's also free, so raising money (for the forum anyway) won't be an issue.

Like many other groups have done when they "graduate" to a full-fledged forum, we wouldn't have to abandon this thread entirely. We have great resources as a result of it, the Pyropeach's compendium, BJim's summary's, Girlwind's Video, and Counterpoints survey. In addition to that, we could archive the forum as it is, posting it at the new one for reference. Leaving it active is debatable.

Aside from all of that though, I think the biggest reason that I want to create this forum is so that members could talk amongst themselves about their experiences. While we do that here, having only one thread, it's a bit limited. We could have an open forum where members could converse without worrying about cluttering up the informational threads. It's pretty hard, almost impossible, for a lot of members to find someone to talk to about their POIS, especially someone who understands. A "Just Talk" section and and a chatroom would be great to serve this purpose.

So again, I apologize for my first post. Please respond with comments, questions, arguments, etc. Thanks, and sorry again about my lack of explanation.

Looking forward to ideas,
Dean

[RhythmSpring]

Has anyone ever tried the herb Yohimbe for their POIS symptoms?

It's a strong vasodialator, slight euphoriant, and aphrodesiac. It's effects profile seem to counter POIS complaints very well.

[demografx]

Chemistry4Me, thank you very much. How pleasant to hear from you!

[demografx]

Has anyone ever tried the herb Yohimbe for their POIS symptoms?

It's a strong vasodialator, slight euphoriant, and aphrodesiac. It's effects profile seem to counter POIS complaints very well.

Previous forum discussions re Yohimbe:
http://www.google.com/search?q=yohimbe+pois+site:http://thenakedscientists.com&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

[prism]

Pois is caused by 'inhibition' or 'holding' your muscles during a main orgasm. 

What??? Where is the evidence for this???

Read up on the 'Function of the Orgasm', 'Orgasm Reflex', 'muscle rigidity and body armour', 'Concerning Specific Forms of Masturbation' - all by Wilhelm Reich.
and 'The use of the self' FM Alexander, 'Alexander Principle' Wilfred Barlow.

During an orgasm a POIS sufferer will habitually experience the 'startle pattern'- dropping the head backwards and downwards in relationship to the spine needlessly disrupting efficient overall body alignment. Smell and senses will shut down causing sinuses to be blocked/in discomfort for days. During thoses days hips will protrude forward and walking occurs too much on the front of the foot- heels become harder to relax into to.
To be in the 'startle pattern' whilst all thoses contractions of an orgasm happen is what causes POIS.

No drugs can correct this unfortunately, only by un-learning muscular habits.

[demografx]

Pois is caused by 'inhibition' or 'holding' your muscles during a main orgasm. 

What??? Where is the evidence for this???

Read up on the 'Function of the Orgasm', 'Orgasm Reflex', 'muscle rigidity and body armour', 'Concerning Specific Forms of Masturbation' - all by Wilhelm Reich...

Wilhelm Reich, best known for his claims of a cosmic life force associated with sexual orgasm, died in federal prison.

Reich died on Nov. 3, 1957, in a federal prison in Lewisburg, Pa., where he was sent for ignoring an injunction obtained by the Food and Drug Administration that outlawed a device he called an orgone energy accumulator. Reich believed it could charge the body with essential life energy, heightening vitality and potentially helping to heal disease.

The 'cosmic life force' has been invalidated many times here. It is the same as Eastern "chi".

There is Zero Evidence for this "phenomenon".

And Reich does not address modern knowledge of POIS in the least.

This is a science forum, please respect it accordingly. I understand there is a handful of some supportive Reich speculators, credentials unknown, but this is not the forum for far-flung, unproven ideas. If you can present some solid scientific evidence (studies, academic papers from respectable organizations, etc.) of POIS and Reich, specifically, we'll listen.

daveyboy, the problem started when this speculation was stated as factual, e.g., "POIS is caused by inhibition, etc." It is far from "fact".

I appreciate your cooperation.

[demografx]

This morning, I was surprised to see Dean's first crack at the alternate forum. So.........here it is:
http://pois.freeforums.org/

Comments, please!

[prism]

I accept much of Reich later work/language is dubious in its evidence (i cant prove or disprove it) and i dont know/care much about it either way.

but what he wrote about the orgasm and muscle rigidity is correct and is in line with the Alexander Technique thinking.
British Medical Journal Aug 08 has evidence of Alexander Technique and back pain relief, and is now available on NHS.

I can assure you a POIS sufferer WILL drop the head backwards and downwards during an orgasm causing the problems whether he/she knows it or not.

[Limejuice]

How does your theory explain NE's?  Do POIS sufferer's drop the head backwards and downwards while dreaming too?

It would appear that testing this theory is easy.

[Defsync]

demo, that post about removing your testicles to lessen the effect of pois, that was pretty radical.  i guess you could just replace them with plastic nuts and knowone would know the difference.

Laurac, "pretty radical"? The understatement of the year! Words that come closer to it for me: "ultimate severity", "utter devastation", "most unearthly", "beyond belief", etc.

The main effect of his radical approach in my mind is how utterly desperate someone can become over POIS.

I lasted 30+ years with POIS. I think the way my brain coped with it was through massive denial. In between POIS episodes, I would think "nothing is really wrong with me, after all that's what the doctors say. And it won't happen again, I'll just..........er...............tie my shoelaces differently or something!!!"

And when that stopped working, I would push as hard and as fast "at the universe" to find a cure: spiritual, urological, telephoning Dr Waldinger, tracking down worldwide "experts" on CNN Larry King Live, pushing this POIS forum, proposing research to scholarly friends and Universities, and the most useful - finally - was to find, through the advice of this forum and research friends outside the forum, to visit a top endocrinologist who could do some solid endocrine testing on me.
I had no clue before this forum what the heck an endocrinologist even does for a living!!

bottom line is most of you may not see a cure for this in your lifetime. humans are funny creatures, and because of religious background/upbringing, they tend to steer away from things they consider taboo. The idea of POIS is quite taboo in American society. I cant say for European counterparts, but then look at the nationality of Dr. Waldinger?

the really unfortunate part about looking into radical steps such as removal of specific organs is, WOULD IT EVEN WORK? If you don't know for certain the cause of something, you can't for certain know if such a severe procedure would even work.

Maybe it would have to take one of us setting ourselves on fire at a doctor's convention? Honestly I dont know what it would take. It's been 2 and a half years, and even with the cumulative knowledge and persistence of the poster's on this forum, not ONE MAJOR MEDICAL INSTITUTION has brought POIS into the medical collective that is today's modern medicine.

You tell me what it is going to take.

[demografx]

the really unfortunate part about looking into radical steps such as removal of specific organs is, WOULD IT EVEN WORK? If you don't know for certain the cause of something, you can't for certain know if such a severe procedure would even work.

Agreed!

It's been 2 and a half years, and even with the cumulative knowledge and persistence of the poster's on this forum, not ONE MAJOR MEDICAL INSTITUTION has brought POIS into the medical collective that is today's modern medicine.

I totally disagree with you, Defsync! I am VERY proud of the fact that - through methods learned here (prior to your first participation, so you may have overlooked it) - that I am being successfully treated at one of the world's most prestigious university hospitals. By an internationally known figure in endocrinology. FOR POIS!!!

I have lots more tidbits, but this one will suffice for now.

I used to buy into some POIS pessimism/negativity here. No longer. Who knows? Maybe my recent life-threatening open heart surgery changed me.

[demografx]

but what he wrote about the orgasm and muscle rigidity is correct and is in line with the Alexander Technique thinking.
British Medical Journal Aug 08 has evidence of Alexander Technique and back pain relief, and is now available on NHS.     mod edit - emphasis mine - demo

All well and good for back pain. But how do we know that this has ANY bearing on POIS, as B_Jim has studied in his 300+ case histories???