[demografx]

Can anyone point me in the direction of a Doctor in the UK who would be willing to prescribe me Testosterone, also has anyone compiled a list of Doctors who recognise POIS or are at least willing to give it some credibility. 

I'm begining the preparation of a WEB based database where we'll be able to go and enter or find such information. Should have a basic setup (no bells and whistles for now) in about a week.

Fantastic

I want to add that there is a database of labs and contacts for help with knowledge etc. I don't think it's exactly what you're looking for though.

Go see martin88's  http://pois.vndv.com/email_list.php

Thank you, Martin and daveman!!!

[John21 (OP)]

I am now trying fenugreek.  I am chaste so POIS doesn't haunt me like it used to, and NEs are few and don't seem to bother me like they used to, so I am not really trying fenugreek for POIS per se. I have only taken it a couple of days but for me it seems to have an antidepressant like effect, I feel great on it! It is strange, as I have never seen this listed as a property of it. Only on this site have I heard others ( I forget who) said that it makes them more sociable, which is basically the same thing. So unless it is placebo I think I have found something very valuable in these seeds. I have tried smaller amounts of home ground seeds before, but this time I bought some 610mg capsules, taking two twice daily. I added this to my regular daily suppliments of fish oil capsules and vit D. I stopped St John's Wort for now. It helped me sleep but also made me somewhat deadheaded. I have ordered some in liquid form so I can experiment with lower doses.

[demografx]

POIS Forum Compendium by "Pyropeach"

"Mat780" has just updated the POIS Information  website with the new data in the Compendium!

Mat also uploaded a pdf copy of the updated compendium.

Everyone, please have a look!
http://sites.google.com/site/poiswebsite/

Thank you, Mat!

Thank you, Pyropeach!

[horizon]

Somewhere in medical literature there must be a list of all the possible proteins/or agents in semen that we could be allergic to. There maybe 100s or less, but I think we should get the list, or compile it. what is in semen?

The components and contributions of semen are as follows:

Gland Approximate % Description

testes 2–5% Approximately 200- to 500-million spermatozoa (also called sperm or spermatozoans), produced in the testes, are released per ejaculation.

seminal vesicle 65–75% amino acids, citrate, enzymes, flavins, fructose (the main energy source of sperm cells, which rely entirely on sugars from the seminal plasma for energy), phosphorylcholine, prostaglandins (involved in suppressing an immune response by the female against the foreign semen), proteins, vitamin C

prostate 25–30% acid phosphatase, citric acid, fibrinolysin, prostate specific antigen, proteolytic enzymes, zinc (the zinc level is about 135±40 micrograms/ml for healthy men.[3] Zinc serves to help to stabilize the DNA-containing chromatin in the sperm cells. A zinc deficiency may result in lowered fertility because of increased sperm fragility. Zinc deficiency can also adversely affect spermatogenesis.)

bulbourethral glands < 1% galactose, mucus (serve to increase the mobility of sperm cells in the vagina and cervix by creating a less viscous channel for the sperm cells to swim through, and preventing their diffusion out of the semen. Contributes to the cohesive jelly-like texture of semen.), pre-ejaculate, sialic acid

A 1992 World Health Organization report described normal human semen as having a volume of 2 ml or greater, pH of 7.2 to 8.0, sperm concentration of 20×106 spermatozoa/ml or more, sperm count of 40×106 spermatozoa per ejaculate or more, and motility of 50% or more with forward progression (categories a and b) of 25% or more with rapid progression (category a) within 60 minutes of ejaculation.[4]

From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semen

nice one, thanks

also from "sementherapy.com"!:
Semen Content
ascorbic acid (vitamin C, for tissue maintenance)
blood-group antigens (from immune system)
calcium (mineral)
chlorine (oxidizing agent)
cholesterol (steroid alcohol present in body fluids)
chlorine (base, part of the vitamin B complex)
citric acid (occurs during cellular metabolism)
creatine (nitrogenous substance found in muscle)
deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA)
fructose (sugar used for energy)
glutathione (peptide amino acid)
Glycoproteins (cancer fighting agent)
hyaluronidase (enzyme)
inositol (sugar found in muscles)
lactic acid (byproduct of muscle use)
magnesium (mineral)
nitrogen (gas found in all living tissue)
phosphorus (mineral)
prostaglandins (good for pregnancy)
potassium (mineral)
purine (compound of uric acid)
pyrimidine (organic base)
pyruvic acid (formed from either glucose or glycogen)
selenium (cancer fighting agent)
sodium (salt)
sorbitol (body alcohol)
spermidine (catalytic enzyme)
spermine (ammonia compound found in sperm)
urea (from urine)
uric acid (from urine)
vitamin B12 (for proper function of nervous system and metabolism)
zinc (mineral)

...
Be really intersting if anyone's been previously tested as being allergic to anything on the list!!

[Habibou]

Thank you for your work on the components of semence ! Now we have to find which is the winner here among  []

[demografx]

Amazing to learn how many semen-components there are!

[lauracostis]

I did a skin prik test on myself after I woke up from my nap with an NE.  I took one syringe and dipped the bevel(tip of needle) in semen so that a small blob occupied the bevel. I then did the skin prik exactly like I would do a intradermal injection, except that I did not inject anything. I simple forced the blob of semen that was on the tip of the syringe into the dermis(skin).  I did about five separate intradermal sticks spaced a few cm apart in a strait line, each time refilling the the bevel with new semen. I would have done a full intradermal injection, but I did not feel like it was necessary. I also did five intradermal sticks the same way in my other arm in the same spots with a clean syringe.

The priks with the semen produced large spots of inflammation, which lasted for about 45 minutes before they started to reduce back toward normal.  There was also a slight burning/irritating sensation.

The clean needle priks produced no inflammation, just the superficial redness around the puncture holes.  There was no burning or irritating sensation.

Just to let everyone know, I am allowed legally to give all types of injections.

These results do not mean much since I have know idea if semen would do the same thing in a non-pois person.  My hypothesis is that semen would probably cause some amount of inflammation in a non-pois person.  The problem is we have no way to know if what I observed is normal or not.

I may test full intradermal injections of semen against saline injections sometime to see what happens.

[demografx]

I did a skin prik test on myself...

...Just to let everyone know, I am allowed legally to give all types of injections.

I think this is important enough to repeat.

Please everyone, understand that lauracostis is qualified to do this.

The other 99.9% of us are not.

Do not attempt this without seeking qualified medical attention!

[CertainlyPOIS]

Can anyone point me in the direction of a Doctor in the UK who would be willing to prescribe me Testosterone, also has anyone compiled a list of Doctors who recognise POIS or are at least willing to give it some credibility. 

AlternativeMedicine.com
http://www.aaem.com/
http://www.academyofosteopathy.or/
http://www.naturopathic.org
http://www.acam.org/
Life Extension Foundation (LEF) clinic florida
http://myrelationshipmagazine.com/article.aspx?author=Connie%20Bennett&title=How%20to%20Find%20an%20Open%20Minded%20Doctor&Article=511
(link for  article.0

I got testosterone eventhough my numbers were not below normal and am very young to be taken testosterone. It was immpossible to get with normal doctors.
What you have to  do is find doctor that is both naturopath and MD, they are more open mineded. Those website should help you find one in your area. Or google integrative doctor in you areas

[Vandemolen3]

lauracostis, there were a few POIS-patients who didn't had a direct reaction on the skin pr.ick test. I think that these people don't have allergy type 1. Only type IV. I had a direct reaction: a big red spot.

[horizon]

Thanks for semen components horizon. Is the allergy caused by 1 of the list or something else?

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For the first time of 2011 ,I had Pois symptoms last time... after eating sugar... I have taken cookies, soft drink and yoghurt the day and hours before orgasm. The low grade fever symptoms started about 3 hours after orgasm.

In the lab they probably break each one down even further
so theres possibly thousands of potential candidates for each individual, maybe we should write to Dr.Bernstein, he might have some further info he could forward on to us, after all that list was from a website called sementherapy which seems too be dedicated in encouraging girls to drink it...not exactly in-depth science is it...

[daveman]

Thanks for semen components horizon. Is the allergy caused by 1 of the list or something else?

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For the first time of 2011 ,I had Pois symptoms last time... after eating sugar... I have taken cookies, soft drink and yoghurt the day and hours before orgasm. The low grade fever symptoms started about 3 hours after orgasm.

I just realized that I may have a heightened lactos intolerance in POIS. Something that I hadn't connected previously because lactos has never been an issue for me.

I love leftovers in the morning, and normally nothing healthy, usually involves meat, spices etc. During POIS, of course my digestion and stomach lining takes quite a beating, so to try to be healthier, I switched to cereal with milk and bananas. Both days I had nausia and diarrhea by 10, lasting till about 12:30 or more. But being that it was day 1 and 2, I thought it was just that, day 1 & 2, although I normally don't have these symptoms. Just last night it ocurred to me that it could be the lactos. So this morning, I had the regular hot dog sandwich and I'm just fine. Of course it's day 3..... so I'm going to have to do some more experimenting.

Jeez, what a pain!

[martin88]

I know that many on this forum have been able to abstain for very long periods of time, I would be interested to hear any information from them about how they have dealt with long-term abstinence, and how long it takes to become "bearable".

I also have sexual urge after 3 weeks but with a special restrictive diet I can go to 2 months or more.
I can't say I reached a constant relaxed state but for sure I had transient episodes of euphoria (more with time). Listening to music becomes very enjoyable which will never happen out of abstinence. Also the body starts to adapt with time (more exercise, sleep earlier, etc). Of course it's a choice of life, sometimes needed because of POIS.

It would be important to know if we create more prolactin whe we eat junk food (as many members stated that junk food made the symptoms worse).
It could explain why an O, a physical activity, stress and unhealthy food make our symptoms worse.
As the prolactin is created by the pituitary gland and realized into the blood system, it would be possible to cure this "prolactin allergy" by intralymphatic injections without a fear of an anaphylaxis!
But many members here don't have any symptoms during a POIS free period and can do sport normally.
Also, I don't understand is the recent hurray's results with the O without semence. Then the prolactin  realized in the brain during the O doesn't have any effect (no symptoms).There is no immun reaction, at least for him !

Maybe not eating junk food helps only with the consequences of the allergy, not with the allergen itself..
I didn't know sport or stress could increase prolactin.
Me too I'm not sure prolactin is the cause of POIS but perhaps it's the cause of positive skin pric test. It's a fact that prolactin has an influence on the immune system.

Since million of years semen loss came with orgasm so maybe at orgasm the body "knows" there will be a semen loss,
ex: sickness behaviour caused by conditional association

The components of sickness behavior can be learned by conditional association. For example, if a saccharin solution is given with a chemical that triggers a particular aspect of sickness behavior, on later occasions the saccharin solution will trigger it by itself

from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickness_behavior

The components and contributions of semen are as follows:
... prostaglandins (involved in suppressing an immune response by the female against the foreign semen)...

sounds interesting Demo.
Very probably a lot of the semen components in the lists (sodium, zinc,etc) are not allergens.

I agree with Laurac, we need the skin pric test for non POIS group, I think Dr Waldinger mentionned this too.

[martin88]

Thanks for semen components horizon. Is the allergy caused by 1 of the list or something else?

--

For the first time of 2011 ,I had Pois symptoms last time... after eating sugar... I have taken cookies, soft drink and yoghurt the day and hours before orgasm. The low grade fever symptoms started about 3 hours after orgasm.

I just realized that I may have a heightened lactos intolerance in POIS. Something that I hadn't connected previously because lactos has never been an issue for me.

I love leftovers in the morning, and normally nothing healthy, usually involves meat, spices etc. During POIS, of course my digestion and stomach lining takes quite a beating, so to try to be healthier, I switched to cereal with milk and bananas. Both days I had nausia and diarrhea by 10, lasting till about 12:30 or more. But being that it was day 1 and 2, I thought it was just that, day 1 & 2, although I normally don't have these symptoms. Just last night it ocurred to me that it could be the lactos. So this morning, I had the regular hot dog sandwich and I'm just fine. Of course it's day 3..... so I'm going to have to do some more experimenting.

Jeez, what a pain!

If I take milk products in the morning I can't be functional for the whole day.
I finally realized I can sleep well if I completely stop dairy products and overall I feel better.(skim milk or 0% yogurt are causing insomnia but not whole milk). I have bad symptoms with fruit juice too.

[Vandemolen3]

I just realized that I may have a heightened lactos intolerance in POIS. Something that I hadn't connected previously because lactos has never been an issue for me.

I love leftovers in the morning, and normally nothing healthy, usually involves meat, spices etc. During POIS, of course my digestion and stomach lining takes quite a beating, so to try to be healthier, I switched to cereal with milk and bananas. Both days I had nausia and diarrhea by 10, lasting till about 12:30 or more. But being that it was day 1 and 2, I thought it was just that, day 1 & 2, although I normally don't have these symptoms. Just last night it ocurred to me that it could be the lactos. So this morning, I had the regular hot dog sandwich and I'm just fine. Of course it's day 3..... so I'm going to have to do some more experimenting.

Jeez, what a pain!

For a while I only drink lactos free milk. Milk with lactos irritates my stomach.

[Vandemolen3]

[If I take milk products in the morning I can't be functional for the whole day.
I finally realized I can sleep well if I completely stop dairy products and overall I feel better.(skim milk or 0% yogurt are causing insomnia but not whole milk). I have bad symptoms with fruit juice too.

When I drink milk or some fruits juice that causes thick saliva. And when I am in POIS I already have thick saliva. This irritates the throath and tongue.

[demografx]

Thank you for your work on the components of semen ! Now we have to find which is the winner here among them. []

Habibou, do you think we can? The semen ingredients look like the same from my can of tuna fish!! [] []

[demografx]

For a while I only drink lactose free milk. Milk with lactose irritates my stomach.

Me, too!

[demografx]

Since millions of years semen loss came with orgasm so maybe at orgasm the body "knows" there will be a semen loss.

Very interesting theory, Martin!

[daveman]

Thank you for your work on the components of semen ! Now we have to find which is the winner here among them. []

Habibou, do you think we can? The semen ingredients look like the same from my can of tuna fish!! [] []

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Don't tell THAT to your wife!!