[daveman]

Well, no satisfactory explanation has been found, so it is quite obvious for me, it is mystical in the same sense such as schizophrenia or depression - scientists and doctors claim they know a lot, but in fact, they only offer many speculative approaches with little to no effective help to their patients.

Phrases like "little to no help" are purely opinion, and make unfounded implications of failure. As far as I know, there are even fewer solutions in addiction/withdrawl theory that help POIS, less so solutions documented by specialists.

There are several fronts that are finding success with desensitization. Perhaps not yet complete nor extensive, but it is not a "failure" situation, as much as it is a situation of needing time to complete more thourough testing.

Inasmuch as the papers have not conclusively defined a solution, they have opened a path that is being actively pursued by TOP experts. NOT just the one.

[daveman]

Has anybody here tried to masturbate several times in a row (i.e. 4 - 10 times in a few hours) and watched its effects or better - tried to masturbate as many times as possible per day and keep continuing in the following days?

Are you kidding, if I have one "O" on each of two days in a row, I'm practically ready for the hospital.

If there's anyone here that can have several "O"s per day, I don't think it's POIS that they have.

Which hospital? Psychiatric? POIS is not a life threatening condition...

Yes psychiatric! I did it once and thought I was going out of my mind. It was at night, perhaps a combination of panic atttack and a strong after POIS depression!

Not at all to laugh at. I hope that wasn't your intention!

Sorry. I was ironic... But I asked myself what kind of help we could get in a hospital? Intravenous fenugreek?

You were going out of mind because of POIS or because of things they gave you? I think if someone is lucky, will get just a hand full of benzodiazepines, if not.... they can make you really bad with neuroleptics.

I came just short of waking my wife to take me to the hospital, but knew there was nothing they could do other than give me one of those things you speak of.

I felt like I was on the verge of insanity for about 2 or 3 days.

[JRD]

Phrases like "little to no help" are purely opinion, and make unfounded implications of failure.

From the scientific point of view, there is the only solution involving psychopharmaceuticals or ECT, which, in fact, is nothing less than a further dumbing down your already dumbed brain, interpreted as a therapeutical effect.

And don't be misunderstood, I really like a "new direction" of XN and everything positive, its users are experiencing (I am going to order a package of it for myself).

[demografx]

danny123, welcome to the POIS thread of The Naked Science Forum!




Here are some POIS resources which may be helpful to you:

Our new POIS Forum - architectural genius: "daveman" - for detailed subject-by-subject discussion!
http://www.POISCenter.com/forums/index.php
Our 4-year-old POIS thread here at Naked Science Forum will also always remain open for newcomers, for general unstructured discussion, and historical research of the 10,000+ postings here since 2007.

The Learning Channel's (TLC)  feature TV presentation on POIS, featuring our member here at this forum, "Animus". It was aired on May 22, 2011. Here is a link to the file for that TV documentary, "Desperate Measures", which can be downloaded and played. The segment starts at about 12:20..
http://www.fileserve.com/file/cUtJa9R/TITLE01.mp4

Our POIS Information Website, built by "mat780", is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/POISwebsite/

The POIS Information Website is home to the famous POIS Forum Compendium, written by "Pyropeach", and contains theories already discussed here and treatments that have both worked and failed.

Please see "B_Jim"'s POIS Summary of All Cases, here as well as others on the Web. This includes remedies that we have tested, and results.
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg149009#msg149009

"Girlwind" has created an excellent POIS Video:

Our new POIS chatroom (realtime chat). Invite or visit another member(s) there, ANY TIME. We can all get to know each other better:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/POIS/chat


POIS Research Studies, 2011

These 2 papers reveal Dr. Waldinger's POIS autoimmune hypothesis and suggests one possible avenue of treatment.

First POIS Research Study, 2002

We have a copy of the first formal medical investigation on POIS by Prof. dr. Marcel D. Waldinger,MD,PhD, and Dr. Dave Schweitzer, MD.

  
Recent POIS Research Study, 2010

CASE REPORT
Postorgasm Illness Syndrome - A Spectrum of Illnesses
Jane Ashby, MRCP, and David Goldmeier, MRCP
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=6576.msg316781#msg316781


British Medical Journal Case Report, 2010

Case study by Dr. Selwyn Dexter of a patient with a headache-featured POIS symptom treated with progesterone/norethisterone.
http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2010/bcr.10.2009.2359.short?rss=1


How to get any or all of the above 5 studies: send me or "daveman" a Private Message (PM) with your regular email address (use "AT" instead of "@" ) and we'll send you back the PDF(s).

To send a Private Message, click on "Messages" at the top of this page. At the Messages page, click on "New Message". From that point on, it works just like posting a message here, except that it only goes to the person(s) you designate.

Remember to put a quote around the recipient's name, i.e., "demografx", or "daveman".


New York Times article,

January 20, 2009
Mind
Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind
By RICHARD A. FRIEDMAN, M.D.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friedman%20sexual%20January%2020&st=cse

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In addition to serving our own informational interests, the resources listed above can be useful for you to show our credibility to the medical world - which often shows little understanding and is sometimes skeptical of our condition: POIS has scientific underpinnings and POIS is not "just another psychological problem" related to sex - to be treated by the psychiatric/psychotherapeutic community. All of this information can greatly help you to fight the immediate reaction of some doctors: so just tell them, "IT'S NOT 'ALL IN OUR HEADS'! "

Also, it can be helpful when dealing with medical professionals to point out the successful existence of our rapidly growing forum, which has already been referenced in respectable sources such as the Journal of Sexual Medicine (Dr. Waldinger's study), British Medical Journal and wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postorgasmic_illness_syndrome

For over 4 years, our POIS forum has attracted over 200 POIS sufferers worldwide who have posted here, research on an additional 200 sufferers elsewhere on the internet, plus over 1,300,000 page visits. Not bad for a rare malady!



SEARCH THE FORUM WITH GOOGLE

We have an overwhelming amount of data: more than 4 years' worth of posts (over  10,000 posts!) from 200+ Forum members, and an additional 200 POIS sufferers found elsewhere on the Internet by Member B_Jim.

In the Google search box, type
whatever-it-is-you're-interested-in-finding-out[space]POIS[space]site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

for example, I tried
nocturnal emission POIS site:http://thenakedscientists.com/

and 740 results came up for "nocturnal emission" within the Forum.

be careful with spaces (you can use them before the word "site") and no-spaces (everything after the word "site")

Google even provides you results with the Message# for each result. But Message #'s do change, so be patient and look for the approximate Message#.

[demografx]

Well, no satisfactory explanation has been found, so it is quite obvious for me, it is mystical in the same sense such as schizophrenia or depression - scientists and doctors claim they know a lot, but in fact, they only offer many speculative approaches with little to no effective help to their patients.

Phrases like "little to no help" are purely opinion, and make unfounded implications of failure. As far as I know, there are even fewer solutions in addiction/withdrawl theory that help POIS, less so solutions documented by specialists.

There are several fronts that are finding success with desensitization. Perhaps not yet complete nor extensive, but it is not a "failure" situation, as much as it is a situation of needing time to complete more thourough testing.

Inasmuch as the papers have not conclusively defined a solution, they have opened a path that is being actively pursued by TOP experts. NOT just the one.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I agree. It has been the theme of the forum since the beginning and why we chose Naked SCIENCE Forum as our preferred venue.

[Quasar]

Guys, i have taken the 100mg Niacin pill 1 hour and a half ago. I haven't noticed anything. I have no flush  []

I did take it in a semi-empty stomach. I haven't had sex or masturbate because i want to try it with the flush.

Maybe tomorrow i will take 200mg in an empty stomach.

Why it didn't make a flush for me?

A) I have extremely low B3 levels.
B) Too low serotonin level, even after taken Niacin.
C) My tryptophan--> serotonin connection is screwed.
D) I just had bad luck  []

Who knows, i hope tomorrow with 200mg i have better luck!

[Quasar]

BTW, i've found that Vinpocetine is sold by Solaray, so it should be easy to find a shop to try it. EDIT: It only includes 5mg of Vinpocetine. I think there are other brands that include more quantity.

[demografx]

Demo,

I cant remember, I know we have talked about FMRI's, but has anyone taken an FMRI while in pois or out.

I'm still waiting! I have great hopes for (f)MRI and POIS!

I think John21 has come the closest to it, perhaps waiting to see if he can? (I'll send this to John by PM as well).

[demografx]

Guys, i have taken the 100mg Niacin pill 1 hour and a half ago. I haven't noticed anything. I have no flush  []

I did take it in a semi-empty stomach. I haven't had sex or masturbate because i want to try it with the flush.

Maybe tomorrow i will take 200mg in an empty stomach.

Why it didn't make a flush for me?

A) I have extremely low B3 levels.
B) Too low serotonin level, even after taken Niacin.
C) My tryptophan--> serotonin connection is screwed.
D) I just had bad luck  []

Who knows, i hope tomorrow with 200mg i have better luck!

Quasar, good luck! (But please be careful and get medical advice)

[daveman]

Phrases like "little to no help" are purely opinion, and make unfounded implications of failure.

From the scientific point of view, there is the only solution involving psychopharmaceuticals or ECT, which, in fact, is nothing less than a further dumbing down your already dumbed brain, interpreted as a therapeutical effect......

Incorrect and you know it!

[demografx]

Has anybody here tried to masturbate several times in a row (i.e. 4 - 10 times in a few hours) and watched its effects or better - tried to masturbate as many times as possible per day and keep continuing in the following days?

I would venture to say that this would KILL the large majority of us, or most probably land us in the ER.

Please refrain from this line of pursuit, it is not POIS. Perhaps "sexual exhaustion". But NOT POIS! Thank you.

[Starsky]

Demo, do you really think POIS could kill someone?

[demografx]

I've found that Vinpocetine is sold by Solaray, so it should be easy to find a shop to try it. EDIT: It only includes 5mg of Vinpocetine. I think there are other brands that include more quantity.

I hate to be a wet blanket, but PLEASE: we MUST be careful promoting ANY medications here at the forum.

WebMD, for example, advises in opposition to making utilization of vinpocetine since it may boost the danger of bleeding.

Don't get me wrong, I am NOT discouraging the posting of potential treatments. Let's just be cautious and warn people of any downside risk. Victor, for example, has been quite diligent in posting warnings about XN.

Please keep in mind that the majority of our audience here are silent viewers. And some of them are quite desperate, and will simply try or take ANYTHING we suggest!

People look up to us posters as "the experts" about POIS. So......we have a responsibility to them since we are in fact in a leadership position.

[demografx]

Demo, do you really think POIS could kill someone?

Well, judging from the 4 suicidal members who contacted me here, I would have to say yes.

[Quasar]

I've found that Vinpocetine is sold by Solaray, so it should be easy to find a shop to try it. EDIT: It only includes 5mg of Vinpocetine. I think there are other brands that include more quantity.

I hate to be a wet blanket, but PLEASE: we MUST be careful promoting ANY medications here at the forum.

WebMD, for example, advises in opposition to making utilization of vinpocetine since it may boost the danger of bleeding.

Sorry Demo, you're right, some medications are quite dangerous and we should always make a warning.

[demografx]

Quasar, many thanks for your understanding!

[JRD]

Incorrect and you know it!

No, I don't. I know many people with psychological/psychiatric problems, who have been taking various drugs and they are actually doing worse, fighting with side effects, new or worse problems, being emotionally numbed, just surviving. But to be objective, this is most likely a specific problem isolated in the sphere of psychiatry, not a medicine as a whole.

I am hinting at the fact, the psychiatry is the field, under which the typical profile of POIS sufferer's symptoms belongs best to.

[demografx]

I am hinting at the fact, the psychiatry is the field, under which the typical profile of POIS sufferer's symptoms belongs best to.

We have fought too long and too hard AGAINST this nonsense classification of POIS.

I am now asking you - officially - to STOP.

[John21 (OP)]

Incorrect and you know it!

No, I don't. I know many people with psychological/psychiatric problems, who have been taking various drugs and they are actually doing worse, fighting with side effects, new or worse problems, being emotionally numbed, just surviving. But to be objective, this is most likely a specific problem isolated in the sphere of psychiatry, not a medicine as a whole.

I am hinting at the fact, the psychiatry is the field, under which the typical profile of POIS sufferer's symptoms belongs best to.

I'm sure most of the medical world sees it this way. I'm also sure that 99% of people with POIS do not see it that way.  My symptoms were mainly cognitive, yet it was only when I was out of POIS that I ever wondered if I had a psychiatric illness, while in it there was no denying that it was a physical reaction with mental results. This belief has been proclaimed many times here, and confirms in my mind that some day we will discover the physical mechanism that produces POIS.

Sorry Demo, no progress on the fMRI. It was just mentioned to me in passing, and I guess it wasn't really that serious of an option. Perhaps I'm not the best person for this anyway as I am chaste.

[daveman]

Incorrect and you know it!

No, I don't. I know many people with psychological/psychiatric problems, who have been taking various drugs and they are actually doing worse, fighting with side effects, new or worse problems, being emotionally numbed, just surviving. But to be objective, this is most likely a specific problem isolated in the sphere of psychiatry, not a medicine as a whole.

I am hinting at the fact, the psychiatry is the field, under which the typical profile of POIS sufferer's symptoms belongs best to.

JRD, stop mixing apples with oranges! Everyone here knows that psychopharmaceuticals only usually make POIS worse. Because it ISN'T a psychiatric problem.

I was refering to your implication that "From the scientific point of view, there is the only solution involving psychopharmaceuticals". This is not correct.

I have offered on at least two occasions that we enter into a more technical discusion of your theories, showing mechanisms and proofs that the root cause of POIS is indeed based on withdrawl and addiction. You have not even bothered to answer, and only respond some time later with these insinuations and misleading references.

As Demo says, until there is more proof that it is the cause of POIS and not some other affliction such as sexual exhaustion or CFS you must refrain from this line of pursuit. It is not POIS you refer to. This constitues an official warning. As I was writing this was already said.

I wish to indicate to the rest that it is NOT a matter of us not being open to discuss other possibilities. But as I said, such discussion as befits a science forum, at least by the most determined in this line, has not been accepted.