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Re: What is global warming?
« Reply #20 on: 23/01/2019 16:10:26 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 23/01/2019 14:40:28
https://www.englishforums.com/English/HidingInPlainSight/vvphr/post.htmo

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=To%20pull%20a%20Trump

Or perhaps a very very bad case

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


So what you are saying is that you have absolutely no evidence for your assertion?
Instead you try to link to websites that provide a definition of 'throwing a Trump' when in fact that is what you are doing by making claims that are not backed up by evidence. As he would say. Sad.
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Re: What is global warming?
« Reply #21 on: 23/01/2019 21:27:43 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 21/01/2019 00:34:59
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.
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I have not wondered about it, because I understand, at least some of, the science involved.

I recognise that, just because some places are cooling at some times of years, that does not mean that the planet as a whole is warming.
In fact, I see that global warming may easily lead to local cooling. Where I live, the gulf stream does a pretty good job of keeping the place warm.
But the mechanisms that drive it may be brought to a halt by global warming.

Donald Trump, as far as I can tell from what he says, does not realise that distinction.
Of course, it's possible that  he does understand it but lies with a view to getting votes and support for his short termist policies.
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Re: What is global warming?
« Reply #22 on: 24/01/2019 04:37:30 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 23/01/2019 21:27:43
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 21/01/2019 00:34:59
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.
No
I have not wondered about it, because I understand, at least some of, the science involved.

I recognise that, just because some places are cooling at some times of years, that does not mean that the planet as a whole is warming.
In fact, I see that global warming may easily lead to local cooling. Where I live, the gulf stream does a pretty good job of keeping the place warm.
But the mechanisms that drive it may be brought to a halt by global warming.

Donald Trump, as far as I can tell from what he says, does not realise that distinction.
Of course, it's possible that  he does understand it but lies with a view to getting votes and support for his short termist policies.

do dodge a simple yes/no question by overwhelming the opponent with meaningless demagoguery. I'm copyrighting this phrase.
"To pull a Trump": Dude, you just pulled a Trump

From

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=To%20pull%20a%20Trump
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Re: What is global warming?
« Reply #23 on: 24/01/2019 09:56:45 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 24/01/2019 04:37:30
Quote from: Bored chemist on 23/01/2019 21:27:43
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 21/01/2019 00:34:59
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.
No
I have not wondered about it, because I understand, at least some of, the science involved.

I recognise that, just because some places are cooling at some times of years, that does not mean that the planet as a whole is warming.
In fact, I see that global warming may easily lead to local cooling. Where I live, the gulf stream does a pretty good job of keeping the place warm.
But the mechanisms that drive it may be brought to a halt by global warming.

Donald Trump, as far as I can tell from what he says, does not realise that distinction.
Of course, it's possible that  he does understand it but lies with a view to getting votes and support for his short termist policies.

do dodge a simple yes/no question by overwhelming the opponent with meaningless demagoguery. I'm copyrighting this phrase.
"To pull a Trump": Dude, you just pulled a Trump

From

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=To%20pull%20a%20Trump
So by idiotically reposting your nonsense reply from earlier, you are admitting you are making it up.
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Re: What is global warming?
« Reply #24 on: 24/01/2019 17:19:58 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 24/01/2019 04:37:30
do dodge a simple yes/no question

He didn't dodge it, he answered with a "no".
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Re: What is global warming?
« Reply #25 on: 24/01/2019 18:37:52 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 24/01/2019 17:19:58
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 24/01/2019 04:37:30
do dodge a simple yes/no question

He didn't dodge it, he answered with a "no".

He answered with a written 'no', and then went on to dicuss it in a trumpesque fashion of a political manovering about the question.

do dodge a simple yes/no question by overwhelming the opponent with meaningless demagoguery. I'm copyrighting this phrase.
"To pull a Trump": Dude, you just pulled a Trump


And then Kryptid took his side

And then petrochemicals typed a reply
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Re: What is global warming?
« Reply #26 on: 24/01/2019 19:30:28 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 24/01/2019 18:37:52
Quote from: Kryptid on 24/01/2019 17:19:58
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 24/01/2019 04:37:30
do dodge a simple yes/no question

He didn't dodge it, he answered with a "no".

He answered with a written 'no', and then went on to dicuss it in a trumpesque fashion of a political manovering about the question.

do dodge a simple yes/no question by overwhelming the opponent with meaningless demagoguery. I'm copyrighting this phrase.
"To pull a Trump": Dude, you just pulled a Trump


And then Kryptid took his side

And then petrochemicals typed a reply

You obviously do not understand the meaning of the word demagoguery and/or you are just trolling. He made valid points with regard to your evidence free assertion.

Evidence please.
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Re: What is global warming?
« Reply #27 on: 24/01/2019 20:40:15 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 24/01/2019 18:37:52
He answered with a written 'no'

So you admit that he did, in fact, answer it.

Quote from: Petrochemicals on 24/01/2019 18:37:52
and then went on to dicuss it in a trumpesque fashion of a political manovering about the question.

How so? He explained it in a very to the point manner: cooling in one part of the globe doesn't say anything about the temperature trends of the globe as a whole. How is there anything political about that explanation?
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Re: What is global warming?
« Reply #28 on: 24/01/2019 21:04:23 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 24/01/2019 04:37:30
Quote from: Bored chemist on 23/01/2019 21:27:43
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 21/01/2019 00:34:59
Have you ever wondered why in the years immediatley following the credit crunch we had long term sustained snow in europe in the midst of climate change. This sort of snowfall had not been seen since the 1980s, yet know one seemed to notice this large period of snowfall and cooling in the middle of all the talk about global warming.
No
I have not wondered about it, because I understand, at least some of, the science involved.

I recognise that, just because some places are cooling at some times of years, that does not mean that the planet as a whole is warming.
In fact, I see that global warming may easily lead to local cooling. Where I live, the gulf stream does a pretty good job of keeping the place warm.
But the mechanisms that drive it may be brought to a halt by global warming.

Donald Trump, as far as I can tell from what he says, does not realise that distinction.
Of course, it's possible that  he does understand it but lies with a view to getting votes and support for his short termist policies.

do dodge a simple yes/no question by overwhelming the opponent with meaningless demagoguery. I'm copyrighting this phrase.
"To pull a Trump": Dude, you just pulled a Trump

From

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=To%20pull%20a%20Trump
Why did you lie about me?

It certainly doesn't make you look good.
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Re: What is global warming?
« Reply #29 on: 25/01/2019 00:26:47 »
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Trump. 
I thought  this was the naked >SCIENTISTS<, ie ones who look at the data and make logically sound arguments based on research and experimentation ? Rather than just shouting people down on the internet. It is a forum of ideas not, and I use the asterisks very deliberatley, a s**t throwing platform ?

"simple yes/no question by overwhelming the opponent"

 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


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Re: What is global warming?
« Reply #30 on: 25/01/2019 00:33:02 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 25/01/2019 00:26:47
I thought  this was the naked >SCIENTISTS<, ie ones who look at the data and make logically sound arguments based on research and experimentation ?

Okay then.

So where is your data?
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Re: What is global warming?
« Reply #31 on: 25/01/2019 01:04:26 »
Being as youve asked so nicely,

https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11763272/How-Arctic-ice-has-made-fools-of-all-those-poor-warmists.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html

These are easy to find  if you type 'global cooling' into the search. It was actually really big news and i cannot believe you need evidence ?, I cant believe theres not a thread on TNS about it. seems that in 2013 2014 the average temperature dropped.

There where also massive longterm snowfalls across europe, and I believe bad snow in the States, although that seems to be just a little  highter than average.
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Re: What is global warming?
« Reply #32 on: 25/01/2019 05:47:06 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 25/01/2019 01:04:26
Being as youve asked so nicely,

https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11763272/How-Arctic-ice-has-made-fools-of-all-those-poor-warmists.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html

These are easy to find  if you type 'global cooling' into the search. It was actually really big news and i cannot believe you need evidence ?, I cant believe theres not a thread on TNS about it. seems that in 2013 2014 the average temperature dropped.

There where also massive longterm snowfalls across europe, and I believe bad snow in the States, although that seems to be just a little  highter than average.

This is what I was talking about earlier when I said you were cherry-picking. You are looking at only a small fraction of the data (for 2013 and 2014). Climate is subject to random fluctuations from one year to another, which is why it's important to look at trends over a long period of time in order to find any that are there. Since you posted a link to NASA, I presume that means you trust them as a source of reliable information. If that's the case, then you should look at these graphs that examine decades worth of data instead of a few years: https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/
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Re: What is global warming?
« Reply #33 on: 25/01/2019 13:40:02 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 25/01/2019 01:04:26
There where also massive longterm snowfalls across europe, and I believe bad snow in the States, although that seems to be just a little  highter than average.
Evidence required as per previous requests. 'I believe' is not evidence.
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Re: What is global warming?
« Reply #34 on: 25/01/2019 16:22:19 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 25/01/2019 05:47:06
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 25/01/2019 01:04:26
Being as youve asked so nicely,

https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11763272/How-Arctic-ice-has-made-fools-of-all-those-poor-warmists.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html

These are easy to find  if you type 'global cooling' into the search. It was actually really big news and i cannot believe you need evidence ?, I cant believe theres not a thread on TNS about it. seems that in 2013 2014 the average temperature dropped.

There where also massive longterm snowfalls across europe, and I believe bad snow in the States, although that seems to be just a little  highter than average.

This is what I was talking about earlier when I said you were cherry-picking. You are looking at only a small fraction of the data (for 2013 and 2014). Climate is subject to random fluctuations from one year to another, which is why it's important to look at trends over a long period of time in order to find any that are there. Since you posted a link to NASA, I presume that means you trust them as a source of reliable information. If that's the case, then you should look at these graphs that examine decades worth of data instead of a few years: https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/
And this is what i said about

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
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« Reply #35 on: 25/01/2019 17:23:17 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 25/01/2019 16:22:19
And this is what i said about

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

In what way is it confirmation bias?
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« Reply #36 on: 25/01/2019 19:35:20 »
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Quote from: Petrochemicals on 25/01/2019 16:22:19
And this is what i said about

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

In what way is it confirmation bias?
In a comformation bias way.
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« Reply #37 on: 25/01/2019 20:08:59 »
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In a comformation bias way.

That seems to imply that not even you know what you mean. Otherwise, you'd be able to elaborate.
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« Reply #38 on: 25/01/2019 21:58:24 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 25/01/2019 20:08:59
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 25/01/2019 19:35:20
In a comformation bias way.

That seems to imply that not even you know what you mean. Otherwise, you'd be able to elaborate.
It cannot

"Seem to imply" it either implys or does not. It would not imply anything n this context anyway, other than the very obvious impication that you are asking the obvious
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« Reply #39 on: 25/01/2019 22:05:59 »
Quote from: Petrochemicals on 25/01/2019 21:58:24
It cannot

"Seem to imply" it either implys or does not. It would not imply anything n this context anyway, other than the very obvious impication that you are asking the obvious

The only way I can see confirmation bias applying would be if only the data supporting one conclusion was put into the graphs while all other data was intentionally left out. That, however, sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
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