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I just pointed out a counter example to your assertion. War is inevitable when a population doesn't manage their use of available resource to the point of overusage. Except, we can generate new resources at higher rate than population growth. Even if war doesn't happen, some of the population will die anyway due to lack of resources.Btw, what good is fishing for?
restating those basic assumptions in fewer words:1. There is universe.2. There are universal laws.As for causality, it is necessary to assume that time exists. This entails that there are changes in things in the universe. Some are fast, some are slow.
But isn't what you are discussing more based on planetary means of support rather that Universally supported?Hence your title says one thing, but then in the next breath you dismiss your title so then your notions are based with boundaries/limitations. In my opinion your ''model'' and good piece of science, needs an A and B version to apply for both situations. The obvious is a box can only get so full, where if there is lots of empty boxes that is a different situation.
Hence population growth should be managed according to reachable resources at that moment.
Lifeless things tend to break down, which means that their configuration change to become less ordered.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 07/06/2018 15:13:54Lifeless things tend to break down, which means that their configuration change to become less ordered.The breakdowns are usually caused by changes in the environment.Their configuration will have better chance to survive if they can duplicate/self replicate, i.e. induce their environment to replicate their configuration, hence creating backups. So even if the original copy does break down, some of its duplicates might survive.
Interesting, that is a concept that grabs attention. Would the surviving duplicates still be aware and have the same memory as their previous version?
Quote Interesting, that is a concept that grabs attention. Would the surviving duplicates still be aware and have the same memory as their previous version? awareness and memory will come later in evolutionary process. I was talking about the earlier phase of it.
The breakdowns are usually caused by changes in the environment.Their configuration will have better chance to survive if they can duplicate/self replicate, i.e. induce their environment to replicate their configuration, hence creating backups. So even if the original copy does break down, some of its duplicates might survive.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 08/06/2018 13:13:19The breakdowns are usually caused by changes in the environment.Their configuration will have better chance to survive if they can duplicate/self replicate, i.e. induce their environment to replicate their configuration, hence creating backups. So even if the original copy does break down, some of its duplicates might survive.Some copies may be disintegrated beyond recognition, but some other may get lucky changes which make them more resistant to harmful environment, or get better at replication.
Sort of reverse evolution to restart evolution ?
QuoteSort of reverse evolution to restart evolution ?No. I'm just doing a thought experiment: what would logically follow if my basic assumptions in previous post are actually true.Some additional assumptions may be made along the way. Some may be implicit, hence taken for granted. I'll try to identify them all by making them more explicit.
Some copies may be disintegrated beyond recognition, but some other may get lucky changes which make them more resistant to harmful environment, or get better at replication.
Quote from: Thebox on 05/06/2018 10:34:06I think I already prioritised the order in my previous post. Let us look at the finer details of the list in order.1) A universal alliance and lawsNumber one is for simplicity, if we ever discovered intelligent life out there, our prime directive will be firstly to establish a communications ''link''. We would establish communication by getting over the possible language barrier and befriend our new found friends. We would then have to establish certain ''laws'' for our alliance. Pretty standard procedure I would imagine. 2) To share knowledgeWhat goes around comes around, to share knowledge and technology stops unequal dictatorship. The power is divided equally rather than a specific continent for example. 3)For all to be equal Fairness is next to kindness, the green eyed monster cannot exist if things are equal. Inequality is a form of legalised slavery , the poor picking up the scraps . 4) Universal maintenance standardsSpeaks for itself reallyWhat makes point#1 more important than point#2? etc.What is the goal of the alliance and laws? We need to distinct the goal and the method to achieve the goal (may be we can call it intermediate goal).Why do we have to share knowledge? why do we have to stop unequal dictatorship? why do we have to be fair? equal? why must we have maintenance standard? that would be a more fundamental goal.
I think I already prioritised the order in my previous post. Let us look at the finer details of the list in order.1) A universal alliance and lawsNumber one is for simplicity, if we ever discovered intelligent life out there, our prime directive will be firstly to establish a communications ''link''. We would establish communication by getting over the possible language barrier and befriend our new found friends. We would then have to establish certain ''laws'' for our alliance. Pretty standard procedure I would imagine. 2) To share knowledgeWhat goes around comes around, to share knowledge and technology stops unequal dictatorship. The power is divided equally rather than a specific continent for example. 3)For all to be equal Fairness is next to kindness, the green eyed monster cannot exist if things are equal. Inequality is a form of legalised slavery , the poor picking up the scraps . 4) Universal maintenance standardsSpeaks for itself really
priority/prʌɪˈɒrɪti/nounthe fact or condition of being regarded or treated as more important than others."the safety of the country takes priority over any other matter"synonyms: prime concern, first concern, most important consideration, most pressing matter, matter of greatest importance, primary issue More"pioneering new forms of surgery should be a priority for the National Health Service"•precedence, greater importance, preference, precedency, pre-eminence, first/highest place, predominance, primacy, the lead, weighting, weight "the government's commitment to give priority to primary education" •a thing that is regarded as more important than others.plural noun: priorities"housework didn't figure high on her list of priorities"
when there are more copies of those replicating things, they become part of the environment of each other. They will compete against each other for resources to create more copies of themselves.Competition against modified copy of themselves may produce better version of them. Just look at alpha zero.
Quote Some copies may be disintegrated beyond recognition, but some other may get lucky changes which make them more resistant to harmful environment, or get better at replication. when there are more copies of those replicating things, they become part of the environment of each other. They will compete against each other for resources to create more copies of themselves.Competition against modified copy of themselves may produce better version of them. Just look at alpha zero.
Quote when there are more copies of those replicating things, they become part of the environment of each other. They will compete against each other for resources to create more copies of themselves.Competition against modified copy of themselves may produce better version of them. Just look at alpha zero. This scenario relies on implicit assumption that environmental changes never get severe enough to wipe out all copies of those structural things.
Let's take a chess game for an example. The priorities, in my opinion (sorted from highest) :1. Checkmate the opponent's king.2. Prevent checkmate on own king.3. Preserve time and energy.Try to get #1. If it's impossible, try to get #2 (draw). If it's also impossible, try to get #3 by resigning.