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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #520 on: 05/09/2021 12:04:09 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 05/09/2021 11:57:48
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If a society has no defense against invading outsiders or cancerous members or freeloaders, they won't survive for long.
I would have thought that universal utopia meant all so no invaders as all are in utopia universal.
Yes, universal utopia is the most inclusive utopia imaginable. There would be no outsiders. But there would still be risk of internal threats.
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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #521 on: 05/09/2021 12:15:41 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/09/2021 12:04:09
Yes, universal utopia is the most inclusive utopia imaginable. There would be no outsiders. But there would still be risk of internal threats.
If the occupants are not selected by means of supernatural process then a means of mind reading or truth drug will be needed to determine who lives and who is iliminated.
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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #522 on: 05/09/2021 13:28:59 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 05/09/2021 12:15:41
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Yes, universal utopia is the most inclusive utopia imaginable. There would be no outsiders. But there would still be risk of internal threats.
If the occupants are not selected by means of supernatural process then a means of mind reading or truth drug will be needed to determine who lives and who is iliminated.
Complete elimination may not be necessary if we have the means to select and edit specific neurons or memes.
Like wise, diseases caused by genetic disorders can be cured epigenetically. Or, replacement of some cells with new cells containing fixed genes. No killing is absolutely necessary.
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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #523 on: 05/09/2021 15:29:35 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/09/2021 13:28:59
Complete elimination may not be necessary if we have the means to select and edit specific neurons or memes.
Like wise, diseases caused by genetic disorders can be cured epigenetically. Or, replacement of some cells with new cells containing fixed genes. No killing is absolutely necessary.
That would be a good option may be a treatment that can rid the human race of the A&E virus and then we can all be good saints as originally intended allowing for utopia now not later.
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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #524 on: 06/09/2021 08:14:33 »
https://scitechdaily.com/beyond-dopamine-new-brain-reward-circuitry-discovered/
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In a paper published in Nature Neuroscience, researchers pushed the science forward on our reward pathways.

The key to overcoming addictions and psychiatric disorders lives deep inside the netherworld of our brains and the circuitry that causes us to feel good. Just like space, this region of the brain needs more exploration.

The oldest and most known reward pathway is the mesolimbic dopamine system, which is composed of neurons projecting from the ventral tegmental area (VTA) to the nucleus accumbens — a key structure in mediating emotional and motivation processing,

Dopamine is a neurotransmitter that is released when the brain is expecting reward. A spike in dopamine could come be from eating pizza, dancing, shopping and sex. But it can also come from drugs, and lead to substance abuse.

In the search for new therapies to treat addiction and psychiatric illness, researchers are examining pathways beyond dopamine that could play a role in reward and reinforcement.

In a paper published in Nature Neuroscience, researchers from the Bruchas Lab at UW Medicine pushed the science forward on our reward pathways and found another such pathway.
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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #525 on: 06/09/2021 11:54:45 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 06/09/2021 08:14:33
https://scitechdaily.com/beyond-dopamine-new-brain-reward-circuitry-discovered/
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In a paper published in Nature Neuroscience, researchers pushed the science forward on our reward pathways.

The key to overcoming addictions and psychiatric disorders lives deep inside the netherworld of our brains and the circuitry that causes us to feel good. Just like space, this region of the brain needs more exploration.

The oldest and most known reward pathway is the mesolimbic dopamine system, which is composed of neurons projecting from the ventral tegmental area (VTA) to the nucleus accumbens — a key structure in mediating emotional and motivation processing,

Dopamine is a neurotransmitter that is released when the brain is expecting reward. A spike in dopamine could come be from eating pizza, dancing, shopping and sex. But it can also come from drugs, and lead to substance abuse.

In the search for new therapies to treat addiction and psychiatric illness, researchers are examining pathways beyond dopamine that could play a role in reward and reinforcement.

In a paper published in Nature Neuroscience, researchers from the Bruchas Lab at UW Medicine pushed the science forward on our reward pathways and found another such pathway.

Maybe we need to eat better more carrots and spinach a good reward for the body,s health it will remove the toxins and clean the mind. They say we are what we eat if we eat rubbish we will be like rubbish.
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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #526 on: 06/09/2021 15:55:42 »
Have you found your personal terminal goal? Is it compatible with the universal terminal goal?
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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #527 on: 06/09/2021 16:42:42 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 06/09/2021 15:55:42
Have you found your personal terminal goal? Is it compatible with the universal terminal goal?
Yes, true happiness is my goal I almost have that now and hope to reinforce it later. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #528 on: 07/09/2021 08:18:31 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 06/09/2021 16:42:42
Yes, true happiness is my goal I almost have that now and hope to reinforce it later. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
Have you defined and scrutinized what true happiness is?
Is it about dopamine level? or there's something else?
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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #529 on: 07/09/2021 10:21:29 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 07/09/2021 08:18:31
Have you defined and scrutinized what true happiness is?
Is it about dopamine level? or there's something else?
For me, true happiness comes from health and security yes I enjoy mental stimulation from my hobbies but I know that dopamine is not that important.
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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #530 on: 07/09/2021 12:09:12 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 07/09/2021 10:21:29
For me, true happiness comes from health and security yes I enjoy mental stimulation from my hobbies but I know that dopamine is not that important.
Without the dopamine, you won't feel the joy. Is that ok for you?
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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #531 on: 07/09/2021 14:33:12 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 07/09/2021 12:09:12
Without the dopamine, you won't feel the joy. Is that ok for you?
Yes as I believe that utopia is not far away. The joy that I have now is nothing to the joy that is yet to come.
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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #532 on: 07/09/2021 14:49:12 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 07/09/2021 14:33:12
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 07/09/2021 12:09:12
Without the dopamine, you won't feel the joy. Is that ok for you?
Yes as I believe that utopia is not far away. The joy that I have now is nothing to the joy that is yet to come.
It implies that your survival is more important than your dopamine level, or happiness.
« Last Edit: 07/09/2021 14:56:35 by hamdani yusuf »
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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #533 on: 07/09/2021 14:52:10 »
This Virus Shouldn't Exist (But it Does)


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Hidden in the microverse all around you, there is a merciless war being fought by the true rulers of this planet, microorganisms. Amoebae, protists, bacteria, archaea and fungi compete for resources and space. And then there are the strange horrors that are viruses, hunting everyone else. Not even being alive, they are the tiniest, most abundant and deadliest beings on earth, killing trillions every day. Not interested in resources, only in living things to take over. Or so we thought.
It turns out that there are giant viruses that blur the line between life and death – and other viruses hunting them.
They know no taboo. They just do whatever it takes to survive.
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« Reply #534 on: 07/09/2021 15:00:24 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 07/09/2021 14:49:12
It implies that your survival is more important than your dopamine level.
Yes that is true but I realise tath dopamine is a stimulant that is important to drive one forward.
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« Reply #535 on: 07/09/2021 15:13:28 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 07/09/2021 14:52:10
They know no taboo. They just do whatever it takes to survive.
Yes I'm sure they do but they have no intelligence. We as intelligent beings can overcome this problem and move forward.
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« Reply #536 on: 08/09/2021 01:34:55 »
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They know no taboo. They just do whatever it takes to survive.
Yes I'm sure they do but they have no intelligence. We as intelligent beings can overcome this problem and move forward.
What makes intelligent beings acts differently from non-intelligent things? How do you distinguish between actions that are done based on intelligent decisions and non-intelligent ones?
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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #537 on: 08/09/2021 12:16:04 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 08/09/2021 01:34:55
What makes intelligent beings acts differently from non-intelligent things? How do you distinguish between actions that are done based on intelligent decisions and non-intelligent ones?
Germs bacteria and organisms are able to organise and flourish but serve little purpose to us apart from healthy bacteria in our body's and food. We humans are hopefully intelligent and can identify favourable outcomes for ourselves. Some germs can get rid of us but we can control our environment and defeat negative outcomes by being vigilant and wise. Most negatives are not very smart.
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Re: Universal Utopia?
« Reply #538 on: 09/09/2021 04:37:19 »
Quote from: Just thinking on 08/09/2021 12:16:04
Germs bacteria and organisms are able to organise and flourish but serve little purpose to us apart from healthy bacteria in our body's and food. We humans are hopefully intelligent and can identify favourable outcomes for ourselves. Some germs can get rid of us but we can control our environment and defeat negative outcomes by being vigilant and wise. Most negatives are not very smart.
What makes humans a standard to compare with those germs? Why should they serve a purpose to us?
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« Reply #539 on: 09/09/2021 05:24:57 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 09/09/2021 04:37:19
What makes humans a standard to compare with those germs?
Dominants and intelligence are what makes us different.
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