[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

There is no goal.

Why did you post this answer?

[Origin]

There is no goal.

Why did you post this answer?

Because I think that is the correct answer to the thread title.

[alancalverd]

It is a rational and critical inquiry that reflects on its own methods and assumptions.

Thus, like the Oozlum Bird and the ouroboros, eventually disappearing up its own fundamental orifice without actually achieving anything of value.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

There is no goal.

Why did you post this answer?

Because I think that is the correct answer to the thread title.

Then expressing your thoughts has become your goal.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

It is a rational and critical inquiry that reflects on its own methods and assumptions.

Thus, like the Oozlum Bird and the ouroboros, eventually disappearing up its own fundamental orifice without actually achieving anything of value.

What do you mean by value?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

It's what makes me get out of bed. Or into bed.

It also made Ted Bundy had sex with dead women.

There are many other odd behaviors we can find in literature. Some have negative impacts, while some others have positive impacts on the society, which in turn will bring positive impact on future generations. Many of those behaviors are driven by dopamine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine

In popular culture and media, dopamine is often portrayed as the main chemical of pleasure, but the current opinion in pharmacology is that dopamine instead confers motivational salience;[6][7][8] in other words, dopamine signals the perceived motivational prominence (i.e., the desirability or aversiveness) of an outcome, which in turn propels the organism's behavior toward or away from achieving that outcome.

If you think that you have no goal with your life, then your actions will be driven by your instincts, including seeking for pleasure and avoiding pain. They are results of evolutionary process experienced by your ancestors. Your own existence is an evidence that they worked so far. But there's no guarantee that it will keep working in the future, especially for distant future.

[alancalverd]

What do you mean by value?

Something that makes someone's life better.

[alancalverd]

But there's no guarantee that it will keep working in the future, especially for distant future.

I don't live in the distant future,  but I do have some control over the near future, and thus the potential to influence matters further down the line of evolution.

In the far future the sun will engulf the earth, but my species will be extinct long before that happens.

[Origin]

Then expressing your thoughts has become your goal.

Are sure?  It doesn't feel like that is my goal.  It seems like expressing my thoughts on here is just kinda wasting some time while I wait for my daughter.
Actually at this point in my life I have absolutely no goal.  If I think, "what am I striving for", I can honestly say the answer is nuttin'.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Then expressing your thoughts has become your goal.

Are sure?  It doesn't feel like that is my goal.  It seems like expressing my thoughts on here is just kinda wasting some time while I wait for my daughter.
Actually at this point in my life I have absolutely no goal.  If I think, "what am I striving for", I can honestly say the answer is nuttin'.

What you consciously do is determined by whatever you think is best at that moment. In other words, you have nothing else better to do as the alternatives at that moment. If you can't describe what your goal is, then your decisions will be decided by your emotion, instinct and intuition. Practically, they become your goals.

[alancalverd]

wasting some time while I wait for my daughter.

Never mind the  subject, here's an exchange I recall from a late night radio phone-in

"So tell us about yourself. What do you do in your spare time?"
        "I go to parties, discos. clubs, pubs, restaurants, gigs and festivals...."
"Sounds like a great life"
         "....and I wait for my daughters to come out."

[paul cotter]

I'm the referee and I say NO GOAL. Sorry hamdani, couldn't help it!!

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

I'm the referee and I say NO GOAL. Sorry hamdani, couldn't help it!!

How do you define goal?
Do you think that goal is a useless word?
Do you think it refers to a non-existent concept?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

I'm the referee and I say NO GOAL. Sorry hamdani, couldn't help it!!

How do you define goal?
Do you think that goal is a useless word?
Do you think it refers to a non-existent concept?

It seems like you've realized that you've made a wrong statement, but too shy to admit it.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Can We Stop Asteroid Bennu?

With the recent return of NASA's OSIRIS-REx from Asteroid Bennu - Earth's close encounters with asteroids have been on many peoples' minds equally fascinating and alarming us. But what if we could prevent a potential catastrophe? Let's dive in an explore the groundbreaking methods NASA is researching and implementing to divert these celestial threats.

0:00 The Asteroids That Might Kill Earth
0:34 The Chelyabinsk Asteroid in Russia
1:22 The Destructive Power of Asteroids
2:04 The Tunguska Impact Event
2:49 The Chicxulub Impactor
4:15 The Impossible Task of Spotting Asteroids
5:58 How NASA is Preparing to Deflect Bennu
7:42 Delivering an Spaceship to an Asteroid
8:44 Can You Use a Nuke to Stop an Asteroid?
10:15 Laser Ablation Approaches
11:32 Kinetic Impactors and NASA's DART Mission
13:04 Mass Drivers for Diverting Asteroids
14:46 Yarkovsky Steering of Asteroids
15:40 OSIRIS-REx - Our First Line of Defence

Protecting life on earth from asteroids is an instrumental goal to achieve the universal terminal goal, especially because we haven't found conscious lives anywhere else, and haven't built self-sustained living environment beyond earth.

[paul cotter]

Hamdani, that post of mine,#1051, was a joke and that is why I added an apology. I have no intention of getting involved in a marathon thread that is going nowhere useful. As others have pointed out there is no universal goal or moral standard.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Hamdani, that post of mine,#1051, was a joke and that is why I added an apology. I have no intention of getting involved in a marathon thread that is going nowhere useful. As others have pointed out there is no universal goal or moral standard.

I can't force you to explain your position on this issue. I'm just curious about your reasoning behind your conclusion, other than because someone else that you trust said so.

[Origin]

Protecting life on earth from asteroids is an instrumental goal to achieve the universal terminal goal,

But there is no universal terminal goal that you have identified, so how can you say protecting life on earth can help this unknown goal?   You are just making stuff up as you go along.  Why would the universe have a goal anyway?  The whole 53 pages of this thread is just rambling silliness IMO.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

But there is no universal terminal goal that you have identified,

I have. It seems like you have intentionally missed it.

The only similarity applicable to every conscious being, regardless of their shape, form, size, and ingredients, is that they want to extend the existence of consciousness further into the future.

I realise that I have expressed the idea of universal terminal goal in some different ways. I feel that this one is the least controversial and easiest to follow.

So, I think I have arrived to the final conclusion about universal terminal goal. It came from definitions of each word in the phrase, and take their implications into account. Goal is the noun, while terminal and universal are the adjectives that describe the noun.

The word Goal means preferred state or condition in the future. If it's not preferred, it can't be a goal. If it's already happened in the past, it can't be a goal either. Although it's possible that the goal is to make future condition similar to preferred condition in the past as reference. The preference requires the existence of at least one conscious entity. Preference can't exist in a universe without consciousness, so can't a goal.

The word Terminal requires that the goal is seen from the persepective of conscious entities that exist in the furthest conceivable future. If the future point of reference is too close to the present, it would expire soon and the goal won't be usable anymore.

The word Universal requires that no other constraint should be added to the goal determined by aforementioned words. The only valid constraints have already been set by the words goal and terminal.

I've summarized the core concepts of the thread into some videos which I collected in a playlist.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ2PyRUoub7jJFt6uQ8Osxdg8zLtLN_1m

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

The whole 53 pages of this thread is just rambling silliness IMO.

No matter how many pages this thread is, you won't understand if you don't read it.