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There is no goal.
Quote from: Origin on 26/10/2023 18:23:51There is no goal.Why did you post this answer?
It is a rational and critical inquiry that reflects on its own methods and assumptions.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 27/10/2023 06:23:09Quote from: Origin on 26/10/2023 18:23:51There is no goal.Why did you post this answer?Because I think that is the correct answer to the thread title.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 26/10/2023 06:07:54It is a rational and critical inquiry that reflects on its own methods and assumptions.Thus, like the Oozlum Bird and the ouroboros, eventually disappearing up its own fundamental orifice without actually achieving anything of value.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 06/10/2023 05:27:25Quote from: alancalverd on 05/10/2023 12:09:14It's what makes me get out of bed. Or into bed. It also made Ted Bundy had sex with dead women. There are many other odd behaviors we can find in literature. Some have negative impacts, while some others have positive impacts on the society, which in turn will bring positive impact on future generations. Many of those behaviors are driven by dopamine. //www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNxKRK_sDkMhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DopamineQuoteIn popular culture and media, dopamine is often portrayed as the main chemical of pleasure, but the current opinion in pharmacology is that dopamine instead confers motivational salience;[6][7][8] in other words, dopamine signals the perceived motivational prominence (i.e., the desirability or aversiveness) of an outcome, which in turn propels the organism's behavior toward or away from achieving that outcome.
Quote from: alancalverd on 05/10/2023 12:09:14It's what makes me get out of bed. Or into bed. It also made Ted Bundy had sex with dead women.
It's what makes me get out of bed. Or into bed.
In popular culture and media, dopamine is often portrayed as the main chemical of pleasure, but the current opinion in pharmacology is that dopamine instead confers motivational salience;[6][7][8] in other words, dopamine signals the perceived motivational prominence (i.e., the desirability or aversiveness) of an outcome, which in turn propels the organism's behavior toward or away from achieving that outcome.
What do you mean by value?
But there's no guarantee that it will keep working in the future, especially for distant future.
Then expressing your thoughts has become your goal.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 27/10/2023 13:46:47Then expressing your thoughts has become your goal.Are sure? It doesn't feel like that is my goal. It seems like expressing my thoughts on here is just kinda wasting some time while I wait for my daughter.Actually at this point in my life I have absolutely no goal. If I think, "what am I striving for", I can honestly say the answer is nuttin'.
wasting some time while I wait for my daughter.
I'm the referee and I say NO GOAL. Sorry hamdani, couldn't help it!!
Quote from: paul cotter on 01/11/2023 10:19:51I'm the referee and I say NO GOAL. Sorry hamdani, couldn't help it!!How do you define goal?Do you think that goal is a useless word? Do you think it refers to a non-existent concept?
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Hamdani, that post of mine,#1051, was a joke and that is why I added an apology. I have no intention of getting involved in a marathon thread that is going nowhere useful. As others have pointed out there is no universal goal or moral standard.
Protecting life on earth from asteroids is an instrumental goal to achieve the universal terminal goal,
But there is no universal terminal goal that you have identified,
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 11/06/2021 06:40:32Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/06/2021 22:41:27The only similarity applicable to every conscious being, regardless of their shape, form, size, and ingredients, is that they want to extend the existence of consciousness further into the future.I realise that I have expressed the idea of universal terminal goal in some different ways. I feel that this one is the least controversial and easiest to follow. So, I think I have arrived to the final conclusion about universal terminal goal. It came from definitions of each word in the phrase, and take their implications into account. Goal is the noun, while terminal and universal are the adjectives that describe the noun.The word Goal means preferred state or condition in the future. If it's not preferred, it can't be a goal. If it's already happened in the past, it can't be a goal either. Although it's possible that the goal is to make future condition similar to preferred condition in the past as reference. The preference requires the existence of at least one conscious entity. Preference can't exist in a universe without consciousness, so can't a goal. The word Terminal requires that the goal is seen from the persepective of conscious entities that exist in the furthest conceivable future. If the future point of reference is too close to the present, it would expire soon and the goal won't be usable anymore.The word Universal requires that no other constraint should be added to the goal determined by aforementioned words. The only valid constraints have already been set by the words goal and terminal.I've summarized the core concepts of the thread into some videos which I collected in a playlist.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ2PyRUoub7jJFt6uQ8Osxdg8zLtLN_1m
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/06/2021 22:41:27The only similarity applicable to every conscious being, regardless of their shape, form, size, and ingredients, is that they want to extend the existence of consciousness further into the future.I realise that I have expressed the idea of universal terminal goal in some different ways. I feel that this one is the least controversial and easiest to follow.
The only similarity applicable to every conscious being, regardless of their shape, form, size, and ingredients, is that they want to extend the existence of consciousness further into the future.
The whole 53 pages of this thread is just rambling silliness IMO.