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Why would the universe have a goal anyway?
so how can you say protecting life on earth can help this unknown goal?
But there is no universal terminal goal that you have identified
I have. It seems like you have intentionally missed it.
So, I think I have arrived to the final conclusion about universal terminal goal. It came from definitions of each word in the phrase, and take their implications into account. Goal is the noun, while terminal and universal are the adjectives that describe the noun.The word Goal means preferred state or condition in the future. If it's not preferred, it can't be a goal. If it's already happened in the past, it can't be a goal either. Although it's possible that the goal is to make future condition similar to preferred condition in the past as reference. The preference requires the existence of at least one conscious entity. Preference can't exist in a universe without consciousness, so can't a goal.The word Terminal requires that the goal is seen from the persepective of conscious entities that exist in the furthest conceivable future. If the future point of reference is too close to the present, it would expire soon and the goal won't be usable anymore.The word Universal requires that no other constraint should be added to the goal determined by aforementioned words. The only valid constraints have already been set by the words goal and terminal.I've summarized the core concepts of the thread into some videos which I collected in a playlist.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ2PyRUoub7jJFt6uQ8Osxdg8zLtLN_1m
Only conscious entities can have a goal, or pursue a desired condition.
It's possible for some conscious entities to deliberately defy that universal goal. But that position is inherently less sustainable, and most likely be superseded by their successors
Unknown to you doesn't mean unknown to others.
You define the words goal, terminal and universal. I am pretty sure most people know the definition of these words. The problem is you still have not stated what this universal terminal goal is.I hope you don't expect me to watch a bunch of your videos to find out what you think this goal is. Instead of trying to get hits on your Youtubes, why don't state what this goal is?
The only similarity applicable to every conscious being, regardless of their shape, form, size, and ingredients, is that they want to extend the existence of consciousness further into the future.
So are you saying the universe is conscious?
How can you consciously defy a goal that is not stated??
Do you know these who "others" are who know the goal? Maybe you could let me know who they are so I could ask them what the goal is since it is becoming obvious that you do not know what this alleged goal is.
Elon Musk will say anything that makes money, even if it is meaningless. Indeed the best advertising has no meaning, so you can't be prosecuted for failing to deliver.
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Quote from: Origin on 05/11/2023 13:04:53You define the words goal, terminal and universal. I am pretty sure most people know the definition of these words. The problem is you still have not stated what this universal terminal goal is.I hope you don't expect me to watch a bunch of your videos to find out what you think this goal is. Instead of trying to get hits on your Youtubes, why don't state what this goal is?Why did you deliberately remove the part you were asking for?Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/11/2023 08:32:43The only similarity applicable to every conscious being, regardless of their shape, form, size, and ingredients, is that they want to extend the existence of consciousness further into the future.
Ideas that seem wildly controversial today may move humanity towards progress. Philosopher Peter Singer asks ?how do we keep them from being stifled? Peter Singer explains why he helped create the ?Journal of Controversial Ideas,? a platform for discussing and examining controversial topics without fear of backlash or censorship. According to Singer, history is rife with examples of people challenging beliefs that were once considered certain but were later proven false. Persecuting those people who challenged those prevailing notions, Singer says, stifled progress. Singer underscores the importance of protecting academic freedom and freedom of thought and expression as fundamental to societal progress and knowledge advancement.
Persecuting those people who challenged those prevailing notions, Singer says, stifled progress.
Peter Singer explains why he helped create the ?Journal of Controversial Ideas,? a platform for discussing and examining controversial topics without fear of backlash or censorship.
The universality of a terminal goal can be tested by how much diversity of the environment where it can be applied, and how much diversity of the entities who can sustainably apply it.
The universality is the default value, restricted only by the definition of goal itself. Any less restriction makes you lose the goal. While additional restrictions makes you lose the universality.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 28/05/2020 03:28:24Here is the truth table for universal terminal goal.1 in the left column means that there is something called a goal, while 0 means denial of it.The middle column classifies the goals in time domain. 1 means there are terminal goals, while 0 means all goals are temporary/instrumental.The right column classifies the goals in spatial domain. 1 means there are universal goals, while 0 means all goals are partial.x in the bottom row means that their values are meaningless, since the existence of goals have already been denied. Those who take the position of the first row think that there exist a universal terminal goal.Those who take the position of the second row think that there exist some terminal goals, but they vary between different parts of the universe.Those who take the position of the third row think that there exist a universal goal, but they change with time.Those who take the position of the fourth row think that there exist some goals, but none of them are terminal nor universal. Those who take the position of the fifth row think that goals simply don't exist.
Here is the truth table for universal terminal goal.1 in the left column means that there is something called a goal, while 0 means denial of it.The middle column classifies the goals in time domain. 1 means there are terminal goals, while 0 means all goals are temporary/instrumental.The right column classifies the goals in spatial domain. 1 means there are universal goals, while 0 means all goals are partial.x in the bottom row means that their values are meaningless, since the existence of goals have already been denied.
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But IMO, something can only be pursued if there is non-zero probability of failure.
But remember that sooner or later, superintelligent entities will come to us.
Probably not. There's no evidence of such a visitation in the last 4,500,000,000 years and homo sapiens is unlikely to survive another million, so the likelihood of anything you might consider more intelligent than us visiting anything that looks like us, is (Bayes) not more than 1 in 9,000 even assuming they know where we are and can be arsed to make the journey. And why would they?