[alancalverd]

Then they won't be human. Our most intelligent successors are likely to be cockroaches.

What makes you think that way?

They have very robust DNA, are truly omnivorous, and are extremely tolerant of high temperatures and lack of water.

Cockroaches can eat dead people. People don't survive for long on a diet of raw cockroaches.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Then they won't be human. Our most intelligent successors are likely to be cockroaches.

What makes you think that way?

They have very robust DNA, are truly omnivorous, and are extremely tolerant of high temperatures and lack of water.

Cockroaches can eat dead people. People don't survive for long on a diet of raw cockroaches.

I found out that cockroaches can be easily killed using splash of soap water on their head area.
Can they live under water, on the desert, or south pole?
I think tardigrades are stronger against environmental conditions.

Unbelievable Discoveries About Tardigrades From The Last Few Months

0:00 Tardigrades/water bears
1:00 Where we get their fossils
1:40 How they evolved over time
2:00 How we can visualize them
2:30 Similarities/differences with fossils
3:00 Desert tardigrades?
3:40 Co-evolution to hitch a ride on snails
4:30 Tun state and how they survive so much
5:15 Incredible ways they do the survival part - gel
6:40 Using this with other animals or in medicine
8:00 Cold makes them live very long
8:30 Sex life
9:40 Their eggs can get really weird
10:15 We know why tardigrades look the way the look
11:20 Chinese newspaper reports super soldiers with tardigrade genes
12:20 Paper is a bit different though
13:00 These proteins cannot be used in humans unfortunately

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

There is no terminal goal. 

How do you define goal?
Do you think that goals exist?

[Origin]

How do you define goal?

An aim or desired result.

Do you think that goals exist?

Yes.

[alancalverd]

I found out that cockroaches can be easily killed using splash of soap water on their head area.

And who is going to anoint them when the archbishops are all dead?

Can they live under water, on the desert, or south pole?

(a) longer than humans (b) yes (c) certainly on the edge of Antarctica - lowest survivable temperature seems to be about -10 deg C and they can happily infest seal and penguin colonies. I doubt they would penetrate far inland as there's nothing to eat.

I think tardigrades are stronger against environmental conditions.

Interesting point. They certainly survive dehydration and irradiation better than most other living things, but in a fight between a water bear and a cockroach, my money would be on the insect.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Interesting point. They certainly survive dehydration and irradiation better than most other living things, but in a fight between a water bear and a cockroach, my money would be on the insect.

In a fight between a human and a cockroach, most likely the insect will lose.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

(a) longer than humans (b) yes (c) certainly on the edge of Antarctica - lowest survivable temperature seems to be about -10 deg C and they can happily infest seal and penguin colonies. I doubt they would penetrate far inland as there's nothing to eat.

Humans can live months or even years in those environment, with appropriate equipment and artificial environment, which can be seen as human's extended phenotype.

[alancalverd]

with appropriate equipment and artificial environment,

And there's the weakness. As I said earlier, we have to carry our preferred environment with us, and we have a very narrow spectrum of tolerability. Colonisation means exploiting the alien environment, not relying on the sandwiches you brought with you.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

with appropriate equipment and artificial environment,

And there's the weakness. As I said earlier, we have to carry our preferred environment with us, and we have a very narrow spectrum of tolerability. Colonisation means exploiting the alien environment, not relying on the sandwiches you brought with you.

Why is it a problem?
Intelligence and creativity have been helping humans solve their problems. They're why humans can go further than any other species.

[alancalverd]

Why is it a problem?

Because people talk about colonising when they mean either visiting or destroying other planets. It would be easier and cheaper (i.e. more intelligent and more satisfying, if you are an engineer)  not destroy this one, which works pretty well if you don't break it.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Why is it a problem?

Because people talk about colonising when they mean either visiting or destroying other planets. It would be easier and cheaper (i.e. more intelligent and more satisfying, if you are an engineer)  not destroy this one, which works pretty well if you don't break it.

Soon or later, cosmic scale catastrophes might destroy the earth, and protecting it might be beyond our capability.
Our (including our successors') chance of survival would be better if we become independent from any particular object, including a particular planet, a particular star, or even a particular galaxy.
Meanwhile, we still depend on this particular planet. So, protecting it from destruction is still one of our highest priority.
Some people now still depend on a particular island. So, protecting it from destruction is still one of their highest priority. But if that island is sinking, there is no reason to not moving to other island or continent in order for them to survive.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

IMF Report: AGI destroys all jobs within 5 to 20 years! Frontier of Automation expands beyond humans

Some people are already worry about AGI, while some others are still worry about myth and superstition.

Why are we superstitious? The Wisdom Hidden in Old Wives' Tales

Timestamps:

00:00 Metaphorical truth
02:40 Don't walk under a ladder
04:50 Don't break a mirror
07:56 Knock on wood
10:40 Don't open an umbrella indoors
13:25 So what's going on?

They've played their parts in increasing our ancestor's chance to survive. They may not be as good as what we might want, but at least they were better than random chance. But they also have drawbacks. Being too paranoid can make us miss some opportunities. If we are too afraid to look or go outside, we may lose the opportunity to get the necessary resources to survive against future threats.

Now that our science and technology can be more reliable, we can use them to identify 4 kinds of behaviors to help our chance to survive:
Behaviors we need to stop doing.
Behaviors we need to keep doing.
Behaviors we need to start doing.
Behaviors we need to keep avoiding.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

As we are discussing, some people are dying and still in conflicts caused by presumed sacred land.
Some people are still worry about presumed sacred planets.
Earth is said to be the cradle of life as we know it. But no one should live in the cradle forever.

The universal terminal goal tells us not to be too attached with any particular objects. The only indispensable thing is consciousness, which is necessary for the goal itself to exist.

We as an individual don't have to keep existing forever. Our successors don't have to have the same genetic nor phenotypic traits as ours. They don't even have to consist of the same chemical elements as ours.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Why are we superstitious? The Wisdom Hidden in Old Wives' Tales

The video below discusses a similar topic.

STUPID PEOPLE NEED MYTHS!? Douglas Murray, Jordan Peterson & Sam Harris

0:00: ️ The limitations of rationalism and the need for supporting structures in life are discussed.
3:48:  Discussion on the role of religion as a metaphor for the masses and its impact on people's lives.
6:50:  The importance of myths in shaping beliefs and values, and the potential impact on children's upbringing.

Recapped using Tammy AI

8:20:  Advertisement for next event

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

There are currently efforts trying to explain consciousness from many different approaches. But they don't seem to give a clear definition of consciousness yet, which should be the first thing to be acknowledged before trying to go into deeper discussions.
Some people with science background tend to approach it from information processing, which is the middle part of conscious systems. While those with theology and philosophy background tend to approach it from senses and feelings, or input parts of conscious systems. Afaik, no one publicly approaches it from output parts of conscious systems.
By defining consciousness as capacity to pursue goals, I chose to approach it holistically.

Is consciousness an illusion? 5 experts explain

?If science aims to describe everything, how can it not describe the simple fact of our existence?? On this episode of Dispatches, Kmele speaks with the scientists, mathematicians, and spiritual leaders trying to do just that:

In the newest episode of Dispatches from The Well, we?re diving deep into the ?hard problem of consciousness.? Here, Kmele combines the perspectives of five different scientists, philosophers, and spiritual leaders to approach one of humanity?s most pressing questions: what is consciousness?

In the AI age, the question of consciousness is more prevalent than ever. Is every single thing in the universe self-aware? What does it actually mean to be conscious? Are our bodies really just a vessel for our thoughts? Kmele asks these questions, and many more, in the most thought-provoking episode yet. This is Dispatches from The Well.

Featuring: Sir Roger Penrose, Christof Koch, Melanie Mitchell, Reid Hoffman, Swami Sarvapriyananda

[alancalverd]

By defining consciousness as capacity to pursue goals,

So a homing missile is as conscious as a homing pigeon?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

By defining consciousness as capacity to pursue goals,

So a homing missile is as conscious as a homing pigeon?

Can they reproduce? Adapt to their environment? Build nest? Compete for resources?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

I planned to make a video about natural consciousness, and how functional components of consciousness can emerge from natural processes.

Finally, here you are.

This video describes how complex systems like consciousness can emerge naturally.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

How fast will AGI be adopted? How can we ensure equitable outcomes? Nations, Businesses, People...
The raise of AGI will definitely restructure society. Surely we need a universal guidance to navigate the new world which would be vastly different than what we've ever seen.

[alancalverd]

By defining consciousness as capacity to pursue goals,

So a homing missile is as conscious as a homing pigeon?

Can they reproduce? Adapt to their environment? Build nest? Compete for resources?

Quite a few humans can't, And AFAIK no computer can.