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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1300 on: 13/03/2024 04:06:08 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 12/03/2024 16:09:27
A tank of gasoline is fairly robust against small collisions and easily replaced if bent. Batteries don't bend, and are prone to internal shorting under impact.
Gasoline leakage poses fire hazard. Decades of research and engineering haven't change that much.
Some types of batteries have been shown to be fire resistant to puncture and cut.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1301 on: 13/03/2024 16:19:28 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 13/03/2024 04:06:08
Some types of batteries have been shown to be fire resistant to puncture and cut.

And many are prone to self-combustion after impact - or even spontaneously. Lead-acid batteries are less suicidal but emit hydrogen and explode from time to time.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1302 on: 13/03/2024 18:13:08 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 02/03/2024 06:18:59
Quote from: Zer0 on 01/03/2024 16:17:27
The very act of Predictions, high or low, is what Affects the Final outcome.
Not the prediction itself per se, but the real actions based on the prediction. That's including publication of the prediction, which can affect the decision and actions of other economic players.
Predictions alone without follow up actions are not that influential.

When it comes to Stocks & Bonds...
Predictions are Actions!
(Global Markets are Interconnected, reason being some Brokers are Insomniacs)

If i have 1 apple which is predicted to turn into 2 apples the very next day, i would Not trade it off for all the Gold on this planet.
(Prediction negates any follow-up actions)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_and_chessboard_problem

ps - Nobody sells a Goose that lays Golden eggs.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1303 on: 13/03/2024 23:16:16 »
Quote from: Zer0 on 13/03/2024 18:13:08
ps - Nobody sells a Goose that lays Golden eggs.
Apart, of course, from successive British governments.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1304 on: 14/03/2024 13:20:45 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 13/03/2024 16:19:28
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 13/03/2024 04:06:08
Some types of batteries have been shown to be fire resistant to puncture and cut.

And many are prone to self-combustion after impact - or even spontaneously. Lead-acid batteries are less suicidal but emit hydrogen and explode from time to time.
Then let evolutionary process remove those dangerous batteries from the market. Regulatory countermeasures can speed up the process, especially for those who are careless about their own safety and others'.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1305 on: 14/03/2024 13:25:37 »
Quote from: Zer0 on 13/03/2024 18:13:08
Predictions are Actions!
Not necessarily. I've predicted increase of Tesla stock several times based on engineering reviews on YouTube, especially by Sandy Munro and Tony Seba. I took no action afterwards, and got no gain for my inaction.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1306 on: 14/03/2024 14:33:38 »
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SpaceX launched Starship atop of its Super Heavy booster from their Starbase facility in South Texas on March 14, 2024

Credit: SpaceX
Making space travels economical is an instrumental goal for building a multiplanetary civilization, which in turn is an instrumental goal to pass a well known great filter.

We can't expect this kind of achievement coming out of a country with small economic size. They can't afford to blow up several starships in the development phase.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1307 on: 14/03/2024 14:54:43 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 14/03/2024 14:33:38
Making space travels economical is an instrumental goal for building a multiplanetary civilization, which in turn is an instrumental goal to pass a well known great filter.
1. Define "civilisation"  (10 marks)
2. Explain why you think this would be a Good Thing to do. (40 marks)
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1308 on: 14/03/2024 16:17:03 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 14/03/2024 14:54:43
1. Define "civilisation"  (10 marks)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization
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A civilization (British English: civilisation) is any complex society characterized by the development of the state, social stratification, urbanization, and symbolic systems of communication beyond natural spoken language (namely, a writing system).

Historically, a civilization has often been understood as a larger and "more advanced" culture, in implied contrast to smaller, supposedly less advanced cultures.

The word civilization relates to the Latin civitas or 'city'. As the National Geographic Society has explained it: "This is why the most basic definition of the word civilization is 'a society made up of cities.'"

Another group of theorists, making use of systems theory, looks at a civilization as a complex system, i.e., a framework by which a group of objects can be analysed that work in concert to produce some result. Civilizations can be seen as networks of cities that emerge from pre-urban cultures and are defined by the economic, political, military, diplomatic, social and cultural interactions among them. Any organization is a complex social system and a civilization is a large organization. Systems theory helps guard against superficial and misleading analogies in the study and description of civilizations.

Many theorists argue that the entire world has already become integrated into a single "world system", a process known as globalization. Different civilizations and societies all over the globe are economically, politically, and even culturally interdependent in many ways.
Currently, all known civilizations are earth bound. Their existence depends on the existence of the earth.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1309 on: 14/03/2024 16:29:33 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 14/03/2024 14:54:43
2. Explain why you think this would be a Good Thing to do. (40 marks)
Because the alternative is failing to pass the well known great filter, which means the extinction of the only known civilization. If that's acceptable for you, then do as you want. But don't obstruct the efforts of those who think it's unacceptable. Otherwise you'll be seen as the immoral one who stands on the wrong side of history.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1310 on: 14/03/2024 19:30:14 »
All civilisation has done for the universe so far has been to increase the entropy and reduce the biodiversity of this planet, to the point at which it may become unsustainable.

Let's keep it local until we achieve something that might actually benefit another celestial body.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1311 on: 14/03/2024 19:35:25 »
PS It seems Spacex is looking about as reliable as Boeing right now.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1312 on: 14/03/2024 22:14:52 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 14/03/2024 19:35:25
PS It seems Spacex is looking about as reliable as Boeing right now.
IMO, you are comparing apple to orange.

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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1313 on: 14/03/2024 22:17:31 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 14/03/2024 19:30:14
All civilisation has done for the universe so far has been to increase the entropy
I'm sceptical of how you measure entropy of a civilization.

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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1314 on: 15/03/2024 00:47:09 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 14/03/2024 19:30:14
reduce the biodiversity of this planet, to the point at which it may become unsustainable.
Having a biodiversity is an instrumental goal. More biodiversity doesn't always bring more sustainability.
The difference between highly conscious beings and the lower ones is that they can make long-term planning better, which means they are more sustainable.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1315 on: 15/03/2024 08:38:12 »
But, assuming you consider homo "sapiens" to be a highly conscious being,  the evidence is to the contrary.
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1316 on: 15/03/2024 08:43:14 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 14/03/2024 22:17:31
I'm sceptical of how you measure entropy of a civilization.
It's the entropy  of the planet, not the "civilisation" that matters.

ΔS > 0 and the more energy you expend, the greater S becomes.

Why would filling the underground seas of Europa with microplastics be a Good Thing? Burying discarded email printouts and empty beer cans on Titan would benefit the universe precisely how?   
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Re: Universal Utopia? What's The Universal Terminal Goal?
« Reply #1317 on: 15/03/2024 11:40:11 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 15/03/2024 08:43:14
It's the entropy  of the planet, not the "civilisation" that matters.
Why should we limit the scope to a planet?
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« Reply #1318 on: 15/03/2024 11:46:57 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 15/03/2024 08:38:12
But, assuming you consider homo "sapiens" to be a highly conscious being,  the evidence is to the contrary.
I've defined consciousness as the capacity to achieve goals effectively and efficiently.
Humans have various consciousness level. Babies, toddler, kids, adults, they have shown different level of consciousness. There are also difference among adults.
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« Reply #1319 on: 15/03/2024 11:48:47 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 15/03/2024 08:43:14
Why would filling the underground seas of Europa with microplastics be a Good Thing? Burying discarded email printouts and empty beer cans on Titan would benefit the universe precisely how?
What makes you think that future civilization won't be able to recycle resources effectively and efficiently?
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