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New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« on: 21/09/2017 20:19:42 »
Femto photography allows for a trillion frames persecond and can capture light as it moves across the room. http://www.highpants.net/femto-photography-capturing-individual-photons-in-motion/

My experiment to detect for the aether would involve taking a picture of a split light beam, then measuring from the dead center of the split, use a computer ruler and focusing to find out if the light is faster in one direction over the other. One would expect it to be shorter on one end as long as it isn't measured while moving perfectly perpendicular to the earth's movement through the galaxy, and the galaxy's movement around other galaxy's.
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #1 on: 21/09/2017 21:14:19 »
I get irritated when they call this trillion frame per second photography.
The bus goes past my house at exactly 8 a.m. every day.
If I take a picture at 08:00:00 today an at 08:00:01 tomorrow and 08:00:02 the next day and so on, then edit all the pictures into a video, have I take a 1 frame per second video?
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #2 on: 28/06/2018 20:32:21 »
The science world is so backwards. On the one hand it pushes relativity and the idea that space is not a medium. Then they set out to prove gravity waves which are waves in the medium of space by itself. pretty silly
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #3 on: 28/06/2018 21:12:26 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 21/09/2017 20:19:42
My experiment to detect for the aether would involve taking a picture of a split light beam, then measuring from the dead center of the split, use a computer ruler and focusing to find out if the light is faster in one direction over the other. One would expect it to be shorter on one end as long as it isn't measured while moving perfectly perpendicular to the earth's movement through the galaxy, and the galaxy's movement around other galaxy's.

No matter how great the difference is between the light and the apparatus in opposite directions, you won't see any difference in the results even though the relative speeds are radically different. The differences are always masked by Lorentzian relativity.
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #4 on: 28/06/2018 23:14:25 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 28/06/2018 20:32:21
The science world is so backwards. On the one hand it pushes relativity and the idea that space is not a medium for light. Then they set out to prove gravity waves which are waves in the medium of space by itself. pretty silly

Fixed that for you.
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #5 on: 29/06/2018 09:47:06 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 21/09/2017 20:19:42
My experiment to detect for the aether would involve taking a picture of a split light beam,
No need for that, you would be wasting your time. Your light beam is travelling through the earths magnetic field.   

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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #6 on: 03/11/2018 18:33:47 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/09/2017 21:14:19
I get irritated when they call this trillion frame per second photography.
The bus goes past my house at exactly 8 a.m. every day.
If I take a picture at 08:00:00 today an at 08:00:01 tomorrow and 08:00:02 the next day and so on, then edit all the pictures into a video, have I take a 1 frame per second video?

Your discussion here is as number salad as on the other thread as well. :)
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #7 on: 03/11/2018 20:57:07 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 03/11/2018 18:33:47
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/09/2017 21:14:19
I get irritated when they call this trillion frame per second photography.
The bus goes past my house at exactly 8 a.m. every day.
If I take a picture at 08:00:00 today an at 08:00:01 tomorrow and 08:00:02 the next day and so on, then edit all the pictures into a video, have I taken a 1 frame per second video?

Your discussion here is as number salad as on the other thread as well. :)
So, what you are saying is that you can't read or don't understand  a digital clock.
Perhaps you should be looking to walk before you try to run.
Come to think of it, if you are really at that  level, you need to learn to crawl.
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #8 on: 05/11/2018 05:04:26 »


 So I assume your prediction for the results of this experiment would show no moving space-medium? I think looking for the space-medium will be a lot easier because we can say for sure that the light will be longer or shorter at its ends, rather then if the trip out and back creates fringes where there seems to be confusion on whether that works at all.
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #9 on: 18/05/2019 01:02:08 »
I just found the perfect video for my experiment!
And at 5 seconds I measured the light on the screen and it is in fact faster in one direction then the other! I measured 16.4 cm on the top half and 16.7 cm on the bottom!!!!!!!!!! HOLY
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #10 on: 18/05/2019 06:39:30 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 18/05/2019 01:02:08
And at 5 seconds I measured the light on the screen and it is in fact faster in one direction then the other! I measured 16.4 cm on the top half and 16.7 cm on the bottom!!!!!!!!!! HOLY

That animation is computer-generated. It isn't a video taken with an actual camera (hence why the video is titled "Virtual" Femto Photography): https://benedikt-bitterli.me/femto.html

How is your proposed experiment any better than the other ones that already looked for an aether?
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #11 on: 18/05/2019 16:13:16 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 18/05/2019 06:39:30
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 18/05/2019 01:02:08
And at 5 seconds I measured the light on the screen and it is in fact faster in one direction then the other! I measured 16.4 cm on the top half and 16.7 cm on the bottom!!!!!!!!!! HOLY

That animation is computer-generated. It isn't a video taken with an actual camera (hence why the video is titled "Virtual" Femto Photography): https://benedikt-bitterli.me/femto.html

How is your proposed experiment any better than the other ones that already looked for an aether?

 The animation is not fake. It says in the description and on this website https://benedikt-bitterli.me/femto.html , link in the description that this is "A laser pulse entering a participating medium (milk)". there is computer animation overlaying the film, but it is a true film.

what other experiments?

and by the way my repeated measuring showed over and over again that the the bottom and the left side have a radius of 20.4 to 5 cm, while the top and right side have a definitive 20.7 cm. So the difference of about 1 to 1.5 mm give or take  per 20cm means the earth is actually moving faster then expected. Google says we're moving at 1.3 million miles per hour which is close to .2% the speed of light while the femto camera experiment would suggest we are travelling closer to .5 to .75% the speed of light, or about 4-5 million mph.
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #12 on: 18/05/2019 16:18:53 »
It's an animation.
It is not real.
Do you not understand that?
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #13 on: 18/05/2019 16:22:50 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 18/05/2019 16:18:53
It's an animation.
It is not real.
Do you not understand that?

Thank for your expertise in the matter genius but I'll take the word of the description in the link thank you :)
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #14 on: 18/05/2019 16:33:25 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 18/05/2019 16:22:50
Quote from: Bored chemist on 18/05/2019 16:18:53
It's an animation.
It is not real.
Do you not understand that?

Thank for your expertise in the matter genius but I'll take the word of the description in the link thank you :)

There is no part of that description which says other than that the video is an animation.
It's not a matter of " I'll take the word of the description" it's a matter of understanding it.

Would you like to quote the bit you think says you are right?
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #15 on: 18/05/2019 16:41:41 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 18/05/2019 16:33:25
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 18/05/2019 16:22:50
Quote from: Bored chemist on 18/05/2019 16:18:53
It's an animation.
It is not real.
Do you not understand that?

Thank for your expertise in the matter genius but I'll take the word of the description in the link thank you :)

There is no part of that description which says other than that the video is an animation.
It's not a matter of " I'll take the word of the description" it's a matter of understanding it.

Would you like to quote the bit you think says you are right?

Yet again your profound expertise of the semantics of the word 'virtual' in a three word Youtube title has showed me the way!

Do you even understand how computer animation works? You would either need a picture of animation in question or have to make a hand drawing of it. Are you seriously suggesting this is a hand drawing? And if it were an animation all the sides would be the same radius to the center, computers don't screw up making circles, trust me.
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #16 on: 18/05/2019 16:45:58 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 18/05/2019 16:41:41
Do you even understand how computer animation works?
Better than you do.
I have made computer animations of things that didn't exist and which I never drew.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 18/05/2019 16:33:25
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #17 on: 18/05/2019 16:51:18 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 18/05/2019 16:45:58
I have made computer animations of things that didn't exist and which I never drew.

LOL. I bet. So you just what, said to your computer, "uhh, draw what a laser beam going through milk looks like, and your infinite computer just happens to know what that looks like , somehow, pfft, you are ridiculous.
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #18 on: 18/05/2019 17:01:33 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 18/05/2019 16:51:18
So you just what, said to your computer, "uhh, draw what a laser beam going through milk looks like, and your infinite computer just happens to know what that looks like
No, nothing like that.
More or less the opposite, because it was long ago when computers had poor graphics, but I got it to produce an animation of a rotating cube.
I never hand drew any cube.

So, rather than misrepresenting what I said:
Quote from: Bored chemist on 18/05/2019 16:33:25
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Re: New experiment to measure if space is made of something
« Reply #19 on: 18/05/2019 17:17:31 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 18/05/2019 17:01:33
So, rather than misrepresenting what I said:

Or rather please give the reason you are so sure the three word title of the video is completely clear in meaning what you say it does?

Your cube? I took Computer drafting for four semesters. There is no computer program out there that is going to know what to do if you tell it to draw a laser beam through milk in slow motion.
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