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Re: The N-field
« Reply #700 on: 19/03/2018 16:59:39 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/03/2018 16:54:04
It's not  a matter of what I want you to say.
It's a matter of, if you don't say it clearly, you might as well not bother to say it at all.

In particular, this doesn't help because in reality t goes the other way.
Quote from: Thebox on 19/03/2018 16:50:52
Would you like me to say a+b=c where c is the neutron?

Well I said it clearly perhaps I could say it again

(-e) + (+1e) = n

(+1e) + (-e) = n

It is the same either way is it not?

(a+b=c)=(b+a=c)=(c=a+b)=(c=b+a)



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« Reply #701 on: 19/03/2018 17:13:15 »
x-1+x+1=0

x+1+x-1=0
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Re: The N-field
« Reply #702 on: 19/03/2018 17:16:52 »
Quote from: Thebox on 19/03/2018 16:59:39
(-e) + (+1e) = n

OK, that's clear- but it's wrong.
In the real world
(-e) + (+1e) = a pair of gamma rays
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Re: The N-field
« Reply #703 on: 19/03/2018 17:19:36 »
Quote from: Thebox on 19/03/2018 16:50:52
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/03/2018 16:48:37
But "an electron plus a proton = neutral" doesn't make sense  because neutral is an adjective, not a noun.
Also as I pointed out earlier, together them make a hydrogen atom, not "N" or an engine.

Until you learn to express yourself properly, you are wasting both your time and ours.
What?  words does not make'th science.


Would you like me to say a+b=c where c is the neutron?


(a+b)2 = F²=Neutron
It doesn't matter what random characters or operators you put in, it is still nonsense and betrays your complete lack of knowledge of both science and maths. You ofrst stae
a+b=N

 then you state

(a+b)2 = F²=Neutron

Randomly additng brackets or squaring the output does not mean it makes sense. You have also not explained why the output is squared or why you have multiplied a+b by 2.

Another thing - saying 'a and b are obviously the electron and proton' is only obvious to you.

Saying'What?  words does not make'th science' is more nonsense. Unless you can communicate an idea clearly how can you expect people to understand what you are talking about. If you dont want them to, why are you posting your nonsense all over the web?

Or... is it a case of you not wanting people to understand so that they cannot contradict you but you can keep posting stuff endlessly?
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« Reply #704 on: 19/03/2018 17:24:05 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/03/2018 17:16:52
Quote from: Thebox on 19/03/2018 16:59:39
(-e) + (+1e) = n

OK, that's clear- but it's wrong.
In the real world
(-e) + (+1e) = a pair of gamma rays

(q1)+(q2)=q0































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« Reply #705 on: 19/03/2018 17:27:01 »
Quote from: The Spoon on 19/03/2018 17:19:36
Quote from: Thebox on 19/03/2018 16:50:52
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/03/2018 16:48:37
But "an electron plus a proton = neutral" doesn't make sense  because neutral is an adjective, not a noun.
Also as I pointed out earlier, together them make a hydrogen atom, not "N" or an engine.

Until you learn to express yourself properly, you are wasting both your time and ours.
What?  words does not make'th science.


Would you like me to say a+b=c where c is the neutron?


(a+b)2 = F²=Neutron
It doesn't matter what random characters or operators you put in, it is still nonsense and betrays your complete lack of knowledge of both science and maths. You ofrst stae
a+b=N

 then you state

(a+b)2 = F²=Neutron

Randomly additng brackets or squaring the output does not mean it makes sense. You have also not explained why the output is squared or why you have multiplied a+b by 2.

Another thing - saying 'a and b are obviously the electron and proton' is only obvious to you.

Saying'What?  words does not make'th science' is more nonsense. Unless you can communicate an idea clearly how can you expect people to understand what you are talking about. If you dont want them to, why are you posting your nonsense all over the web?

Or... is it a case of you not wanting people to understand so that they cannot contradict you but you can keep posting stuff endlessly?
The neutron is the combined product of an electron and a proton. The atom is the neutron.   The neutron can be a cation or an anion.

ok?
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Re: The N-field
« Reply #706 on: 19/03/2018 19:11:04 »
Quote from: Thebox on 19/03/2018 17:27:01
Quote from: The Spoon on 19/03/2018 17:19:36
Quote from: Thebox on 19/03/2018 16:50:52
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/03/2018 16:48:37
But "an electron plus a proton = neutral" doesn't make sense  because neutral is an adjective, not a noun.
Also as I pointed out earlier, together them make a hydrogen atom, not "N" or an engine.

Until you learn to express yourself properly, you are wasting both your time and ours.
What?  words does not make'th science.


Would you like me to say a+b=c where c is the neutron?


(a+b)2 = F²=Neutron
It doesn't matter what random characters or operators you put in, it is still nonsense and betrays your complete lack of knowledge of both science and maths. You ofrst stae
a+b=N

 then you state

(a+b)2 = F²=Neutron

Randomly additng brackets or squaring the output does not mean it makes sense. You have also not explained why the output is squared or why you have multiplied a+b by 2.

Another thing - saying 'a and b are obviously the electron and proton' is only obvious to you.

Saying'What?  words does not make'th science' is more nonsense. Unless you can communicate an idea clearly how can you expect people to understand what you are talking about. If you dont want them to, why are you posting your nonsense all over the web?

Or... is it a case of you not wanting people to understand so that they cannot contradict you but you can keep posting stuff endlessly?
The neutron is the combined product of an electron and a proton. The atom is the neutron.   The neutron can be a cation or an anion.

ok?
No. That is absolute crap. A neutron forms part of the nucleus.
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« Reply #707 on: 19/03/2018 19:14:46 »
Quote from: Thebox on 19/03/2018 17:27:01
The atom is the neutron.
No.
The neutron has a half life of 881.5 seconds.
The hydrogen atom does not.

It would help if you studied some science, rather than posting stuff that's just not right.
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Re: The N-field
« Reply #708 on: 19/03/2018 19:16:04 »
Quote from: Thebox on 19/03/2018 17:24:05
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/03/2018 17:16:52
Quote from: Thebox on 19/03/2018 16:59:39
(-e) + (+1e) = n

OK, that's clear- but it's wrong.
In the real world
(-e) + (+1e) = a pair of gamma rays

(q1)+(q2)=q0
































That's a mighty long post to say nothing much.
Were you planning on adding an explanation- it could certainly do with one.
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« Reply #709 on: 19/03/2018 19:16:53 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/03/2018 19:14:46
No.
The neutron has a half life of 881.5 seconds.
The hydrogen atom does not.

It would help if you studied some science, rather than posting stuff that's just not right.

The neutron also weighs more than the hydrogen atom.
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« Reply #710 on: 20/03/2018 14:32:40 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 19/03/2018 19:16:53
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/03/2018 19:14:46
No.
The neutron has a half life of 881.5 seconds.
The hydrogen atom does not.

It would help if you studied some science, rather than posting stuff that's just not right.

The neutron also weighs more than the hydrogen atom.
The Hydrogen atom has less force acting on it than a Neutron.   However I will have to re-think ,  I am about 99.9% sure that gravity is polarity related.   
I, we , just need to work it.

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« Reply #711 on: 20/03/2018 14:36:55 »
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Is it possible that gaseous atoms are different to solid state atoms?

Gaseous atoms quite clearly are invisible where solid state atoms are visible. There must be a difference.


p.s Why do gaseous atoms not form a dense mass by gravity?

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« Reply #712 on: 20/03/2018 20:36:33 »
Quote from: Thebox on 20/03/2018 14:32:40
The Hydrogen atom has less force acting on it than a Neutron.

That statement doesn't make sense given that the amount of force acting on a hydrogen atom or a neutron is going to vary enormously depending on the environment they are in. Besides, mass is constant regardless of the force acting on it. I may weigh less on Mars than on Earth, but the amount of mass I have does not change between the two planets (I would resist being accelerated just as much on Earth as I would on Mars). So a hydrogen atom and neutron would have invariant rest masses even if their weights change.

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Is it possible that gaseous atoms are different to solid state atoms?

No, the difference is that there are far fewer atoms per unit volume in a gas than in a liquid or solid.

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Gaseous atoms quite clearly are invisible where solid state atoms are visible. There must be a difference.

Not always. Nitrogen dioxide is red-brown, chlorine is yellow-green, ozone is pale blue, bromine vapor is bright red and iodine vapor is bright purple.

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p.s Why do gaseous atoms not form a dense mass by gravity?

They do. That's what stars are.
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« Reply #713 on: 20/03/2018 20:44:18 »
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I am about 99.9% sure that gravity is polarity related.   
On what basis?
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« Reply #714 on: 21/03/2018 14:30:59 »
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I am about 99.9% sure that gravity is polarity related.   
On what basis?


On the basis that opposite polarities are seemingly the only attractive force of the Universe that exists.  On the basis that opposite polarities works for gravity except for a few small glitches that need ironing out. Polarity is the closest candidate in being the possible.
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« Reply #715 on: 21/03/2018 19:47:50 »
Quote from: Thebox on 21/03/2018 14:30:59
On the basis that opposite polarities are seemingly the only attractive force of the Universe that exists. 
OK, so your basis is false.
We know that uncharged things attract one another - Cavendish did the first "laboratory" experiment on this ages ago.
You seem to be claiming it's true because you think it's true.
That's not science.
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« Reply #716 on: 21/03/2018 21:54:02 »
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On the basis that opposite polarities are seemingly the only attractive force of the Universe that exists.
OK, so your basis is false.
We know that uncharged things attract one another - Cavendish did the first "laboratory" experiment on this ages ago.
You seem to be claiming it's true because you think it's true.
That's not science.

I don't think anything, I am looking at what the physics does.  The physics suggests neutral things are attracted to neutral things.
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« Reply #717 on: 22/03/2018 20:33:49 »
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opposite polarities are seemingly the only attractive force of the Universe that exists. 
Quote from: Thebox on 21/03/2018 21:54:02
I don't think anything,
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The physics suggests neutral things are attracted to neutral things.
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« Reply #718 on: 22/03/2018 22:01:24 »
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opposite polarities are seemingly the only attractive force of the Universe that exists. 
Quote from: Thebox on 21/03/2018 21:54:02
I don't think anything,
Quote from: Thebox on 21/03/2018 21:54:02
The physics suggests neutral things are attracted to neutral things.

Because  opposite polarities are properties of Neutral things.
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« Reply #719 on: 22/03/2018 22:15:52 »
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Quote from: Bored chemist on 22/03/2018 20:33:49
Quote from: Thebox on 21/03/2018 14:30:59
opposite polarities are seemingly the only attractive force of the Universe that exists. 
Quote from: Thebox on 21/03/2018 21:54:02
I don't think anything,
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The physics suggests neutral things are attracted to neutral things.

Because  opposite polarities are properties of Neutral things.
Nonsense.
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