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Experiment to test W=mg
« on: 08/11/2017 19:15:24 »
Classical #physics predicts weight (W) should NOT change at increasing temperature (T) in vacuum. Relativistic #physics predicts W should INCREASE at increasing T in vacuum. My theory predicts W should DECREASE at increasing T in vacuum and can be found here yaniv-stern.webnode.com. W reduction at increasing T in vacuum disproves conservation of mass and most of the rest of #physics. Over the past ten years I contacted thousands of scientists to weigh a heated metal in vacuum and publish the results. I did Not get the results of the experiment. #ResultsRequired
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #1 on: 08/11/2017 19:17:11 »
I think the experiment should be carried out using the principle of a calorimeter. Place a heater, thermocouple and precision balance inside a vacuum chamber. Heat the chamber and record how many calories are required to raise the temperature by say 10 degC and also take weight readings of the balance. Next, place a metal sample on the balance and repeat the heating process and take another calories and weight readings. Subtract the initial measurements from the metal sample measurements to tell how many calories were absorbed by the metal and if any changes in weight were observed.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #2 on: 08/11/2017 19:34:17 »
Can you provide us with a summary of why you think it should decrease?
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #3 on: 08/11/2017 19:49:21 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 08/11/2017 19:17:11
I think the experiment should be carried out using the principle of a calorimeter.
I think you don't know what you are talking about.
Because that experiment is done frequently.
There's a bit of kit specially for doing it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermogravimetric_analysis

You can rest assured that, if your ideas were right, people would have noticed.
So you are wrong.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #4 on: 08/11/2017 19:54:31 »
I read thermogravimetric graphs often use base line calibration and other modifications.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #5 on: 08/11/2017 20:06:52 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 08/11/2017 19:54:31
I read thermogravimetric graphs often use base line calibration and other modifications.
Nobody said it was easy.
However, if there was a consistent effect of temperature on weight, it would have been spotted.

May I remind you tat, while the millions of TGA results might not be perfect, every single one of them is one more experimental datum than you have for your idea that weight changes with temperature.

There are also thing like observations of satellites whose orbits would go haywire when they heated and cooled if you were right.
They don't.
You aren't.


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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #6 on: 08/11/2017 20:08:41 »


In a positive universe positive matter experiences positive repulsive forces from all directions (Figure 21a). When forces from opposite directions balance an object remains suspended in space and weightless. When forces from opposite directions are unequal, an object is pushed by the stronger force towards the weaker force (Figure 21b). A free object moves towards the weaker force while a stationary object gains weight. The difference between opposite forces determines weight, large difference is heavier and small difference is lighter (Figure 21c). So if you heat up matter, introduce negative heat particles, lower the positive charge of an object, you lower the difference between forces acting on the object and its weight. (Rate of fall (g) is determined by the ratio between forces acting on an object).
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #7 on: 08/11/2017 20:27:27 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/11/2017 20:06:52
May I remind you tat, while the millions of TGA results might not be perfect, every single one of them is one more experimental datum than you have for your idea that weight changes with temperature.

My research suggests a link between weight and temperature could exist. #ResultsRequired

There are also thing like observations of satellites whose orbits would go haywire when they heated and cooled if you were right.

My theory predicts hot and cold objects should fall at the same rate.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #8 on: 08/11/2017 21:16:10 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 08/11/2017 20:27:27
My theory...
You don't have a theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
At best you have an unsubstantiated hypothesis .
Since it's at odds with many real-life observations, what you have is a mistake.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #9 on: 08/11/2017 21:19:16 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/11/2017 21:16:10
You don't have a theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
At best you have an unsubstantiated hypothesis .
Since it's at odds with many real-life observations, what you have is a mistake.

Let the results of the experiment decide. #ResultsRequired
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #10 on: 08/11/2017 21:29:11 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 08/11/2017 21:19:16
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/11/2017 21:16:10
You don't have a theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
At best you have an unsubstantiated hypothesis .
Since it's at odds with many real-life observations, what you have is a mistake.

Let the results of the experiment decide. #ResultsRequired
As explained earlier, the experiment has been done many times.

If your opinion doesn't agree with the real world, it is not because reality has made a mistake.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #11 on: 08/11/2017 21:31:34 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/11/2017 21:29:11
As explained earlier, the experiment has been done many times.

Send a reference.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #12 on: 08/11/2017 21:35:10 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 08/11/2017 20:08:41
So if you heat up matter, introduce negative heat particles,
What are those?
Did you  make them up?
Is there any evidence for them?
Quote from: Yaniv on 08/11/2017 20:08:41
lower the positive charge of an object,
Most objects don't have a positive charge on them, so your idea is irrelevant to almost everything anyway.

Might it be better if you started by learning some science?
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #13 on: 08/11/2017 21:35:56 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 08/11/2017 21:31:34
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/11/2017 21:29:11
As explained earlier, the experiment has been done many times.

Send a reference.
OK, here it is again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermogravimetric_analysis

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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #14 on: 08/11/2017 21:38:56 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/11/2017 21:35:56
OK, here it is again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermogravimetric_analysis

I can't see any graph with the results of the proposed experiment.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #15 on: 08/11/2017 21:41:43 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 08/11/2017 21:38:56
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/11/2017 21:35:56
OK, here it is again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermogravimetric_analysis

I can't see any graph with the results of the proposed experiment.
That would be because there isn't one.
However the article does showthat TGA is done on a frequent basis in labs all over the world.
All of those labs would be getting anomalous answers if you were right.
They are not doing so.
It is because you are wrong.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #16 on: 08/11/2017 21:47:30 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/11/2017 21:41:43
However the article does showthat TGA is done on a frequent basis in labs all over the world.
All of those labs would be getting anomalous answers if you were right.

Not if weight reduction at increasing temperature is calibrated.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #17 on: 08/11/2017 21:47:48 »
How about this?
The flat bit of the graph on page 4
http://www.perkinelmer.co.uk/CMSResources/Images/44-74556GDE_TGABeginnersGuide.pdf

Or, of course, all the other flat bits of all the other graphs.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #18 on: 08/11/2017 21:48:18 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 08/11/2017 21:47:30
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/11/2017 21:41:43
However the article does showthat TGA is done on a frequent basis in labs all over the world.
All of those labs would be getting anomalous answers if you were right.

Not if weight reduction at increasing temperature is calibrated.
What do you think "calibrated" means?
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #19 on: 08/11/2017 22:22:32 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/11/2017 21:47:48
How about this?
The flat bit of the graph on page 4
http://www.perkinelmer.co.uk/CMSResources/Images/44-74556GDE_TGABeginnersGuide.pdf

Or, of course, all the other flat bits of all the other graphs.

Do you know what type of modifications were introduced to the final form of the graph ? I suspect small undesired changes were eliminated to highlight the process of decomposition of the chemical. Other papers Glaser, Metrologia, 1990 show weight of 20 gram metal heated by 5 degC lost 100 micrograms. 
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