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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #60 on: 13/11/2017 20:30:18 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/11/2017 20:22:06
Are you talking about the flat baselines on thermogravimetric graphs ?
Yes.
They are not great, but they are the only data you have, and they don't support your assertion.

They are not great and not conclusive. #ResultsRequired
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #61 on: 13/11/2017 21:23:58 »
Do you think that putting a hash in " #ResultsRequired" somehow stops it being YOUR job to get those results?

There is, indeed, a requirement for results.
That's because you have not provided any.
So, as I said, come back when you have better data.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #62 on: 14/11/2017 09:33:09 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 13/11/2017 21:23:58
There is, indeed, a requirement for results.
That's because you have not provided any.
So, as I said, come back when you have better data.

The University of Leeds advised me to drop theory without the results of the experiment and elsewhere I couldn't find scientists interested to do the experiment and publish the results. Do you think I would have been here had I found physicists to conclude the experiment ?
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #63 on: 14/11/2017 17:52:54 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 14/11/2017 09:33:09
Do you think I would have been here had I found physicists to conclude the experiment ?
No.
I think the University of Leeds is right to essentially dismiss your idea.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #64 on: 15/11/2017 07:48:23 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 14/11/2017 17:52:54
I think the University of Leeds is right to essentially dismiss your idea.

And I think the University of Leeds and other scientists should complete the experiment to conclusion.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #65 on: 15/11/2017 19:40:24 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 15/11/2017 07:48:23
Quote from: Bored chemist on 14/11/2017 17:52:54
I think the University of Leeds is right to essentially dismiss your idea.

And I think the University of Leeds and other scientists should complete the experiment to conclusion.
You may think that.
They think that there are better things to do with their limited funds.
Only one viewpoint can be right.
Do you think it is more likely to be the viewpoint of a university full of clever people, or a person posting nonsense on the web?
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #66 on: 16/11/2017 03:36:59 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/11/2017 19:40:24
And I think the University of Leeds and other scientists should complete the experiment to conclusion.
You may think that.
They think that there are better things to do with their limited funds.
Only one viewpoint can be right.
Do you think it is more likely to be the viewpoint of a university full of clever people, or a person posting nonsense on the web?

And I think physicists repress the results of the experiment to protect funds, jobs, careers and reputations of many scientists. #ResultsRequired
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #67 on: 16/11/2017 06:08:23 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 16/11/2017 03:36:59
And I think physicists repress the results of the experiment to protect funds, jobs, careers and reputations of many scientists. #ResultsRequired

Oh boy, another conspiracy theorist...
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #68 on: 16/11/2017 19:00:22 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 16/11/2017 06:08:23
Oh boy, another conspiracy theorist...

Conspiracy fiction or conspiracy fact ? #ResultsRequired
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #69 on: 16/11/2017 19:39:25 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 16/11/2017 03:36:59
Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/11/2017 19:40:24
And I think the University of Leeds and other scientists should complete the experiment to conclusion.
You may think that.
They think that there are better things to do with their limited funds.
Only one viewpoint can be right.
Do you think it is more likely to be the viewpoint of a university full of clever people, or a person posting nonsense on the web?

And I think physicists repress the results of the experiment to protect funds, jobs, careers and reputations of many scientists. #ResultsRequired
Imagine, for the sake of argument that something about your idea caught my attention and that I worked in the kind of metrology lab that could reasonably do the experiment.
OK so I go to my boss and I say " I saw this idea on the internet. There's a bloke who thinks that hot things weigh less than cold things".
It's likely that my boss will say "He's an idiot- we would have noticed" but, just for a moment, lets assume you are lucky and he says "well- if you can be bothered to waste your lunch hour on it, that's fine by me. Just remember to get the real work done before you go home."

So I do the experiment.
And- here's the bit that stretches  credibility- imagine that I actually find an apparent effect.

Well, what happens when I tell the boss about it?
Either he says "that's interesting- check if the result's real" or he says " dear me; we can't be finding out new stuff. Stop it at once".

Well, in one case he ends up with his name on a paper that wins me a Nobel prize, and in the other case, he doesn't.

What does he have to lose by choosing the sensible, scientific, path?

That's the reason why so many "conspiracy theories" like this are daft.

Scientists want to rock the boat, discover interesting things and get famous (not to mention rich).

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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #70 on: 16/11/2017 20:31:45 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 16/11/2017 19:39:25
What does he have to lose by choosing the sensible, scientific, path?

Maybe he can't bare the thought of sharing the Nobel Prize with me and my name remembered for a long, long time for theorizing this prediction ?
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #71 on: 16/11/2017 20:57:59 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 16/11/2017 20:31:45
Quote from: Bored chemist on 16/11/2017 19:39:25
What does he have to lose by choosing the sensible, scientific, path?

Maybe he can't bare the thought of sharing the Nobel Prize with me and my name remembered for a long, long time for theorizing this prediction ?
So you think the scientist in question would rather remain anonymous than share a Nobel prize. That really is clutching batshit insane conspiracy theory straws.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #72 on: 16/11/2017 21:04:46 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 16/11/2017 20:31:45
Quote from: Bored chemist on 16/11/2017 19:39:25
What does he have to lose by choosing the sensible, scientific, path?

Maybe he can't bare the thought of sharing the Nobel Prize with me and my name remembered for a long, long time for theorizing this prediction ?
As a scientist, you suffer from delusions of adequacy.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #73 on: 16/11/2017 21:17:30 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 16/11/2017 21:04:46
As a scientist, you suffer from delusions of adequacy.

And as a scientist, you keep missing the ball. #ResultsRequired
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #74 on: 16/11/2017 21:22:56 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 16/11/2017 21:17:30
Quote from: Bored chemist on 16/11/2017 21:04:46
As a scientist, you suffer from delusions of adequacy.

And as a scientist, you keep missing the ball. #ResultsRequired
Yeah? but at least he is a scientist.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #75 on: 16/11/2017 21:33:48 »
Quote from: The Spoon on 16/11/2017 21:22:56
Yeah, but at least he is a scientist.

Who doesn't care about results.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #76 on: 16/11/2017 21:37:05 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 16/11/2017 21:33:48
Quote from: The Spoon on 16/11/2017 21:22:56
Yeah, but at least he is a scientist.

Who doesn't care about results.
But the point is that you have no results. You also seem to believe in rather convoluted nutty conspiracy theories about scientists suppressing results because they may not want to share a Nobel prize with you.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #77 on: 16/11/2017 21:43:07 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 16/11/2017 19:00:22
Conspiracy fiction or conspiracy fact ? #ResultsRequired

Fiction until demonstrated to be fact.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #78 on: 16/11/2017 21:45:59 »
Quote from: The Spoon on 16/11/2017 21:37:05
But the point is that you have no results. You also seem to believe in rather convoluted nutty conspiracy theories about scientists suppressing results because they may not want to share a Nobel prize with you.

I think the primary reasons scientists are not interested to publish the results are loss of funding for many projects in theoretical physics and loss of jobs, careers and reputations.
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Re: Experiment to test W=mg
« Reply #79 on: 16/11/2017 21:48:27 »
Quote from: Yaniv on 16/11/2017 21:45:59
Maybe he can't bare the thought of sharing the Nobel Prize with me and my name remembered for a long, long time for theorizing this prediction ?
You said:
'Maybe he can't bare the thought of sharing the Nobel Prize with me and my name remembered for a long, long time for theorizing this prediction ?'
Which is batshit insane. Even for a conspiracy theorist.
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