[Bored chemist]

What is your explanation for reduction in weight ?

There isn't any real evidence of a change in weight that I might need to explain.

Even for £10K ?

No.
The trouble is that, by the time you are offering enough money to make me take notice, you are offering more money that I would be prepared to accept from some fool because it would seem like exploitation.

What's stopping you ding the experiment yourself?

[Yaniv (OP)]

There isn't any real evidence of a change in weight that I might need to explain.

I provided several papers showing weight decreases at increasing temperature. You have not provided any paper showing weight does Not change at increasing temperature.

No.
The trouble is that, by the time you are offering enough money to make me take notice, you are offering more money that I would be prepared to accept from some fool because it would seem like exploitation.

The expenditure of £5 - 10,000 seems very reasonable if the result disproves all that we know about physics.Given the chance of a Nobel prize if he's right, Mr Yaniv should now put his money where his mouth is.

What's stopping you ding the experiment yourself?

The experiment should be carried out by proper experimentalists.

[Bored chemist]

I provided several papers showing weight decreases at increasing temperature. You have not provided any paper showing weight does Not change at increasing temperature.

I have also not shown any paper s depicting the absence of unicorns- for the same reason.

I did, early in the thread, explain that thousands of dsc experiments every day show that there is no such change.

The experiment should be carried out by proper experimentalists.

Ideally, yes, but it is an important aspect of science that (at least in principle) it does not matter who does the experiment- as long as they do it properly.

Even an experiment done by a school-kid can be internationally recognised.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mpemba_effect

It's even possible for an experiment, proposed by a mere patent clerk, to be recognised without actually having been done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity

[Yaniv (OP)]

I did, early in the thread, explain that thousands of dsc experiments every day show that there is no such change.

Send a reference of an experiment specifically testing a link between weight and temperature.

Even an experiment done by a school-kid can be internationally recognised.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mpemba_effect

It's even possible for an experiment, proposed by a mere patent clerk, to be recognised without actually having been done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity

These links have no relevance to this thread.

[Bored chemist]

These links have no relevance to this thread.

I'm sure others understand the relevance.
Perhaps they will explain it for you

[Yaniv (OP)]

I'm sure others understand the relevance.
Perhaps they will explain it for you

I gather others also don't understand relevance of your links.

[Bored chemist]

I'm sure others understand the relevance.
Perhaps they will explain it for you

I gather others also don't understand relevance of your links.

How many people  do you think are still reading this drivel-some thread you started?

Anyway, I'm sure they will chip in eventually.
In the mean time, you may remember that you said "The experiment should be carried out by proper experimentalists."
and I have pointed out that you don't need a "proper  experimentalist" and I cited a couple of examples to prove it.
You say you somehow don't think the evidence that shows you to be wrong is relevant.
I still think others will understand it.
Perhaps you will too, if you think it over fro a while.

[Kryptid]

Anyway, I'm sure they will chip in eventually.

I fully understand how relativity falsifies his hypothesis, but I have admit that I feel kind of stupid for being unable to figure out how the Mpemba effect does so.

[Bored chemist]

Anyway, I'm sure they will chip in eventually.

I fully understand how relativity falsifies his hypothesis, but I have admit that I feel kind of stupid for being unable to figure out how the Mpemba effect does so.

His contention was that he couldn't do the experiment himself because "

The experiment should be carried out by proper experimentalists.

"
Which is silly- anyone can do an experiment- even a school-kid.

So, he has no real excuse for not doing the experiment if he wants to.

[Kryptid]

Anyway, I'm sure they will chip in eventually.

I fully understand how relativity falsifies his hypothesis, but I have admit that I feel kind of stupid for being unable to figure out how the Mpemba effect does so.

His contention was that he couldn't do the experiment himself because "

The experiment should be carried out by proper experimentalists.

"
Which is silly- anyone can do an experiment- even a school-kid.

So, he has no real excuse for not doing the experiment if he wants to.

True, although high-precision experiments like the one he is trying to perform might require equipment that he can't afford or tight constraints that he doesn't know how to properly meet.

[Bored chemist]

True, although high-precision experiments like the one he is trying to perform might require equipment that he can't afford

Have you read the thread?

[Kryptid]

Have you read the thread?

I may have missed some things, given that I did ignore it for a while.

[Yaniv (OP)]

How many people  do you think are still reading this drivel-some thread you started?

I only need one righteous scientist to conclude the experiment and post the results.

Anyway, I'm sure they will chip in eventually.

What's the delay ?

You say you somehow don't think the evidence that shows you to be wrong is relevant.

Which experimental evidence you are talking about ?

[Bored chemist]

Which experimental evidence you are talking about ?

Why did you put the word "experimental" into that?

It was clear from the context that I was pointing out that young Mr Mpemba's experiment was accepted and has become famous even though he was a schoolkid  when he did it. You do not need to be a "proper experimentalist" to do an experiment.

Have you understood that simple fact yet?

[Bored chemist]

I only need one righteous scientist to conclude the experiment and post the results.

I have shown that you don't really need to be a "scientist " to do an experiment.
What's stopping you doing it?
Are you not righteous enough?

[Yaniv (OP)]

Why did you put the word "experimental" into that?

To distinguish between "theoretical" predictions and "experimental" evidence.

You do not need to be a "proper experimentalist" to do an experiment.

Had I done the experiment you and others would not have believed the results because I am not a "proper experimentalist".

What's stopping you doing it?

I may have a few basic skills in molecular biology and genetics but I don't have the technical and electrical skills to engineer this experiment.

Are you not righteous enough?

I am not neutral enough.

[Bored chemist]

To distinguish between "theoretical" predictions and "experimental" evidence.

In the context of my pointing out that Mr Mpemba did an experiment, that distinction hardly makes any sense.

Had I done the experiment you and others would not have believed the results because I am not a "proper experimentalist".

Don't presume to tell me what I would believe and why.
I might ask questions about it, but if I really couldn't find a source of error I'd have to repeat the experiment myself.
If I too got the unexpected result we could run a joint publication (don't worry, you would get the credit for being first>)

If, ion the other hand I spotted errors in your experimental technique, that wouldn't mean you were "wrong" it would just mean that the experiment was ambiguous.
You would need to do a better one.
I'd offer to help with design.

I may have a few basic skills in molecular biology and genetics but I don't have the technical and electrical skills to engineer this experiment.

Learn.

I am not neutral enough.

Are you more neutral than I am, or less so?
It doesn't matter .
Science doesn't care what you believe- it works anyway.

[Yaniv (OP)]

I feel like Einstein being told go and photograph stars yourself.

Where is Eddington ?

[Bored chemist]

Einstein had a  logically valid argument to back him up.
You don't
Einstein didn't have to explain why all the previous (good) experiments didn't agree with his idea.
\You do.

Come back when something changes.

[Yaniv (OP)]

Einstein had a  logically valid argument to back him up.

Really?

Einstein didn't have to explain why all the previous (good) experiments didn't agree with his idea.

List a few experiments that disagree with weight reduction at increasing temperature ?