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[alancalverd]

Definition of "orbital".

[guest39538]

Definition of "orbital".

I should of just put orbit ?

An object orbiting the Earth has an orbit velocity, a speed and direction that is the fundamental mechanics stopping the orbiting object falling to earth.


However, does this notion apply to beyond an event horizon?

An event horizon is a boundary in space at which point the affects of objects have no affects on other objects.

Thus any objects beyond an event horizon, I propose could have a relative stationary orbit and 0 velocity. Thus showing the linearity of gravity and not the present space time curvature that is thought to be.

The linear of gravity , I propose that is the natural phenomenon, neutral is attracted to neutral.

Coulomb's laws, likewise charges repulse but opposites charges attract, providing the exact nature of the gravitation force.


Both q- and q+ are attracted to N (neutral) , the properties of N are (q-)+(q+)=N

Therefore N→←N


M (mass)=N (neutral)

[Kryptid]

An event horizon is a boundary in space at which point the affects of objects have no affects on other objects.

That's quite a different definition than the commonly accepted one. Black holes most certainly do influence objects beyond their event horizons.

[guest39538]

An event horizon is a boundary in space at which point the affects of objects have no affects on other objects.

That's quite a different definition than the commonly accepted one. Black holes most certainly do influence objects beyond their event horizons.

That would contradict the definition, outside a black holes event horizon there is no affect.

p.s it says this in my own words.

In general relativity, an event horizon is a boundary in space time beyond which events cannot affect an outside observer

dx= (F1 = F2)

[Kryptid]

That would contradict the definition, outside a black holes event horizon there is no affect.

Yes there is. A black hole's gravity most certainly does affect things outside of its event horizon.

[guest39538]

That would contradict the definition, outside a black holes event horizon there is no affect.

Yes there is. A black hole's gravity most certainly does affect things outside of its event horizon.

Then by definition it is not an event horizon you are talking about.   

[chiralSPO]

Two points:

1) If you want to use terms that already have widely accepted meanings, like "event horizon," I recommend that you use them with the widely accepted meaning, not one of your own devising. Black holes definitely exert gravitational influence beyond their event horizon. No information can leave the event horizon, but forces definitely can (by all widely accepted definitions).

2) Orbits don't stop object from falling. Orbits are just a special type of falling, where the object in orbit is perpetually falling past the object it is orbiting.

[guest39538]

Two points:

1) If you want to use terms that already have widely accepted meanings, like "event horizon," I recommend that you use them with the widely accepted meaning, not one of your own devising. Black holes definitely exert gravitational influence beyond their event horizon. No information can leave the event horizon, but forces definitely can (by all widely accepted definitions).

2) Orbits don't stop object from falling. Orbits are just a special type of falling, where the object in orbit is perpetually falling past the object it is orbiting.

In layman's terms, it is defined as the shell of "points of no return", i.e., the points at which the gravitational pull becomes so great as to make escape impossible, even for light. An event horizon is most commonly associated with black holes

i am outside this shell therefore no affect

[Kryptid]

i am outside this shell therefore no affect

Good luck convincing any physicists of that.

[Bored chemist]

i am outside this shell therefore no affect

Through what possible mechanism do you contend that the force of gravity does not affect you?

If that mechanism existed then we could use it for other bits of gravity screening.
If that was true then we could use it to make  a perpetual energy machine.
But we know  Thanks to this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem
that such machines are impossible
So, we know that gravity screening is impossible
So we know that the idea of being somehow shielded from the gravity of a black hole is impossible
So we know that you are wrong.

So, why do you keep posting sh1t?

[guest39538]

i am outside this shell therefore no affect

Through what possible mechanism do you contend that the force of gravity does not affect you?

If that mechanism existed then we could use it for other bits of gravity screening.
If that was true then we could use it to make  a perpetual energy machine.
But we know  Thanks to this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem
that such machines are impossible
So, we know that gravity screening is impossible
So we know that the idea of being somehow shielded from the gravity of a black hole is impossible
So we know that you are wrong.

So, why do you keep posting sh1t?

In an infinite space a BH is relatively a dense point, within this point is an entire universe, the BH from the central point of the relative point, expands outwards  proportional to the square of the distance from the source of that physical quantity.
Beyond the event horizon G has no force .

[guest39538]

i am outside this shell therefore no affect

Good luck convincing any physicists of that.

Infinite Universe tiny BH.

[Kryptid]

In an infinite space a BH is relatively a dense point, within this point is an entire universe, the BH from the central point of the relative point, expands outwards  proportional to the square of the distance from the source of that physical quantity.
Beyond the event horizon G has no force .

Infinite Universe tiny BH.

Are you sure you know what a black hole is? What you are saying does not resonate with what physicists have told us about black holes since... ever. Actually, I'm in the process of reading a book about black holes and the history of their study (called Black Holes and Time Warps by Kip S. Thorne) and there is nothing in there about black holes containing universes, black holes expanding or gravity failing to pass the event horizon.

[guest39538]

In an infinite space a BH is relatively a dense point, within this point is an entire universe, the BH from the central point of the relative point, expands outwards  proportional to the square of the distance from the source of that physical quantity.
Beyond the event horizon G has no force .

Infinite Universe tiny BH.

Are you sure you know what a black hole is? What you are saying does not resonate with what physicists have told us about black holes since... ever. Actually, I'm in the process of reading a book about black holes and the history of their study (called Black Holes and Time Warps by Kip S. Thorne) and there is nothing in there about black holes containing universes, black holes expanding or gravity failing to pass the event horizon.

My biggest surprise about BH's is they are  sphere like and not actually a hole.    There is a lot of things made up about BH's, so interpret  a BH my own way.

[Bored chemist]

within this point is an entire universe

Got any evidence for that?

[Bored chemist]

My biggest surprise about BH's is they are  sphere like and not actually a hole.   

So, 15 posts in you point out that you don't know  much about the subject of the thread.
Why did you start it?

[guest39538]

My biggest surprise about BH's is they are  sphere like and not actually a hole.   

So, 15 posts in you point out that you don't know  much about the subject of the thread.
Why did you start it?

Perhaps I know more than science , a lot of things about BH's are hypothetical .  My subjective opinion is as valid has much as the next persons subjective thoughts.

[Bored chemist]

My subjective opinion is has valid has much as the next persons subjective thoughts.

No it does not.
The next person may know what they are talking about, but you don't.
You seem to not grasp the difference between reasoned speculation, founded in fact and made up bull.