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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #400 on: 17/09/2018 22:17:50 »
The synchronous connection between the moon and the hump is the same as between the hump and the lamp post (next to your house).
Tidal waves are synchronized with the Earth's daily rotation, a 50-minute delay, according to the vortex theory of tides.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunitidal_interval shows the wave lag behind the moon.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide_clock shows the daily backlog of the wave.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #401 on: 17/09/2018 22:22:04 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 17/09/2018 22:17:50
The tides are synchronized with the Earth's daily rotation, and the Earth's rotation follows the solar calendar.

As I have pointed out before, if they were synchronised to the rotation of the Earth they would happen exactly every 12 hours and they do not.

Why do you keep saying they do?
Don't you understand it just makes you look silly?
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #402 on: 18/09/2018 13:45:43 »
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunitidal_interval shows the wave lag behind the moon.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide_clock shows the daily backlog of the wave.
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Lunitidal interval constants should not be used to estimate the tides for any critical purpose. They are obsolete and do not give tidal predictions which are as accurate as modern tide tables.
https://www.msq.qld.gov.au/Tides/Lunitidal-intervals
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The magnitude of the lag of the tides in a given locality, compared to the moment of the culmination of the Moon, is called the "applied hour".
In different places "applied hour" is different, because it depends on the features from the bottom and the coast. For example, in Oostende, Belgium, the "applied hour" is 25 minutes on average, in Gibraltar 1 hour 47 minutes, in Brest (France) 3 hours 46 minutes, in some bays of the White Sea 5 hours, etc.
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And we observe how in every port of the world every 12 hours and 25 minutes the tides regularly flow, after which tides occur. But only during the peak of every second low tide the Moon appears at the point of culmination above the water area of ​​the port.

A person can teach a person to perceive the tides as a process of attraction of the water masses by the Moon, proceeding independently of the position of the moon. But to teach a person not to notice the culmination of the Moon at the peak of every second tide is impossible, since for this it is necessary to deprive not only the ability of independent thinking, but also the ability to see.
https://astronomy.ru/forum/index.php/topic,81717.0.html
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #403 on: 18/09/2018 20:19:33 »
Your link says "Tides are known to be mainly caused by the Moon's gravity."

You are now arguing with yourself...
Let us know when you realise you have lost.
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The magnitude of the lag of the tides in a given locality, compared to the moment of the culmination of the Moon, is called the "applied hour".
Only by you.
It's some name you made up to describe something that isn't an hour.

Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 18/09/2018 13:45:43
In different places "applied hour" is different, because it depends on the features from the bottom and the coast.

Congratulations, you have worked out what a phase shift is.
The high tide need not be at the same time as the Moon is directly overhead, but there will be a more or less constant delay between the two events.
It takes a while for the water to slosh round.

Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 18/09/2018 13:45:43
A person can teach a person to perceive the tides as a process of attraction of the water masses by the Moon,
Or he can convince himself it's due to whales farting.

Eventually, he might realise that the only way that the tide can stay locked to the moon is because the moon drives the tide.

Let us know when you realise it.
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But to teach a person not to notice the culmination of the Moon at the peak of every second tide is impossible,
Sorry, that makes no sense.
What do you mean by " culmination of the Moon at the peak of every second tide"
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #404 on: 18/09/2018 20:47:50 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 17/09/2018 22:17:50
The synchronous connection between the moon and the hump is the same as between the hump and the lamp post (next to your house).
Tidal waves are synchronized with the Earth's daily rotation, a 50-minute delay, according to the vortex theory of tides.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunitidal_interval shows the wave lag behind the moon.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide_clock shows the daily backlog of the wave.
You say that a tidal wave lags behind the moon for 25 minutes (50 minutes a day).
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #405 on: 18/09/2018 22:04:38 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 18/09/2018 20:47:50
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 17/09/2018 22:17:50
Tidal waves are synchronized with the daily rotation of the Earth and a daily delay of 50 minutes.
The moon is not synchronized with tidal waves.
The synchronous connection between the moon and the hump is the same as between the hump and the lamp post (next to your house).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunitidal_interval shows the wave lag behind the moon.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide_clock shows the daily backlog of the wave.
You say that a tidal wave lags behind the moon for 25 minutes (50 minutes a day).
No.
I say the tide lags behind the Sun (and other stars) by about 50 minutes a day. That's why it's at a different time each day.

However it lags behind the Moon by a (more or less) constant delay.
Do you understand the difference between a clock that is wrong because it has been set wrong by 25 minutes and a clock that runs fast by 25 minutes a day?
One of them is always 25 minutes wrong, but the other one gets more and more wrong as time passes.

You have cited a page that talks about the "tide clock" and it says "A tide clock is a specially designed clock that keeps track of the Moon's apparent motion around the Earth."

That's because, to tell when the tide is due, you need to pay attention to the Moon.
And that's because the Moon drives the tide.
So, again, you are arguing against yourself.
Both those references say the tides are driven by the Moon.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #406 on: 18/09/2018 22:16:06 »
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The synchronous connection between the moon and the hump is the same as between the hump and the lamp post (next to your house).
Tidal waves are synchronized with the Earth's daily rotation, a 50-minute delay, according to the vortex theory of tides.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunitidal_interval shows the wave lag behind the moon.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide_clock shows the daily backlog of the wave.
Show me a link or an example that a tidal wave is moving in synchronism with the moon.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #407 on: 18/09/2018 22:21:21 »
Or let the forum participant who lived on the coast and observed the tides, confirmed.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #408 on: 18/09/2018 22:27:10 »
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Show me a link or an example that a tidal wave is moving in synchronism with the moon.
I did.
I pointed out high tide times in various places.
And they repeat every 12 hrs 25 min or so- the same as the Moon.

Show me something else that repeats  every 12 hrs 25 min that could be the explanation of the tides if it isn't the Moon.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #409 on: 18/09/2018 22:32:37 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 18/09/2018 22:21:21
Or a member of the forum who lived on the coast and watched the tides.
There are web cams  where you can watch for yourself.
https://www.earthcam.com/usa/florida/miamiandthebeaches/?cam=miamibeach1
https://www.dorsetforyou.gov.uk/your-community/webcams/weymouth-esplanade-webcam.aspx
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #410 on: 19/09/2018 11:13:56 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 16/09/2018 20:18:07
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 16/09/2018 20:15:51
Synchronous movement is when the hump is always under the moon.
No
You don't understand what the word means because you don't understand that there can be a phase shift.
Phase shift is a bust.
If the synchronous hump speed is 1600 km / h, a phase shift of 50 minutes will reduce the speed of the wave to 1200 to 1300 km / h.
From this speed in the ocean should be a thick fog.
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Show me the link that the tidal wave moves asynchronously with the moon.
Or let the forum participant who lived on the coast and observed the tides, confirmed.
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The delay time of the tide (25 minutes) can also depend on the speed of the tidal wave and the distance from the whirlpool to the shore.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #411 on: 19/09/2018 11:17:54 »
Bored chemist good morning!
I hope that at night you gained strength, and your messages will be accurate.
Another 5 topics, already a week awaiting your reply.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #412 on: 19/09/2018 19:06:36 »
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If the synchronous hump speed is 1600 km / h, a phase shift of 50 minutes will reduce the speed of the wave to 1200 to 1300 km / h.

My (mechanical) watch keeps pretty good time.
The hour hand is about 1 cm long, and it goes round every 12 hours.
So the tip of the hour hand travels about 3.14 cm in 12 hrs.
About 0.26 cm per hour.

If I set it 25 minutes slow, how fast does the tip of the hour hand move?

Setting it 25 min slow is introducing a phase shift of 12.5 degrees.

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #413 on: 19/09/2018 19:10:02 »
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Another 5 topics, already a week awaiting your reply.
You are the only person to blame for your gish gallop.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #414 on: 19/09/2018 19:52:24 »
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Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 19/09/2018 11:13:56
If the synchronous hump speed is 1600 km / h, a phase shift of 50 minutes will reduce the speed of the wave to 1200 to 1300 km / h.

My (mechanical) watch keeps pretty good time.
The hour hand is about 1 cm long, and it goes round every 12 hours.
So the tip of the hour hand travels about 3.14 cm in 12 hrs.
About 0.26 cm per hour.

If I set it 25 minutes slow, how fast does the tip of the hour hand move?

Setting it 25 min slow is introducing a phase shift of 12.5 degrees.
In this post, you do not deny anything, but this is a hidden form of recognition of the theory.
Thank you!
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #415 on: 19/09/2018 20:16:09 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 19/09/2018 19:52:24
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/09/2018 19:06:36
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 19/09/2018 11:13:56
If the synchronous hump speed is 1600 km / h, a phase shift of 50 minutes will reduce the speed of the wave to 1200 to 1300 km / h.

My (mechanical) watch keeps pretty good time.
The hour hand is about 1 cm long, and it goes round every 12 hours.
So the tip of the hour hand travels about 3.14 cm in 12 hrs.
About 0.26 cm per hour.

If I set it 25 minutes slow, how fast does the tip of the hour hand move?

Setting it 25 min slow is introducing a phase shift of 12.5 degrees.
In this post, you do not deny anything, but this is a hidden form of recognition of the theory.
Thank you!
Answer the question.
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how fast does the tip of the hour hand move?
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #416 on: 19/09/2018 20:54:17 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 19/09/2018 11:13:56
Show me the link that the tidal wave moves asynchronously with the moon.
And if this is your idea, open the topic and we will discuss it together.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #417 on: 19/09/2018 21:11:15 »
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Answer the question.
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how fast does the tip of the hour hand move?

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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #418 on: 19/09/2018 21:13:03 »
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In this post, you do not deny anything, but this is a hidden form of recognition of the theory.
Thank you!
No,
I'm setting the scene for explaining why you are wrong.
But I can only explain why you are wrong if you answer the question.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #419 on: 20/09/2018 19:02:59 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/09/2018 21:11:15
Quote from: Bored chemist on 19/09/2018 20:16:09

Answer the question.
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how fast does the tip of the hour hand move?


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