[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

There are many reasons for the seasonal rise in sea level, they do not refute each other.
https://research.csiro.au/slrwavescoast/sea-level/sea-level-change/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_cycle_of_sea_level_height
https:/.../en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise
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The presented theory on the level of complexity, is at the level of primary school. And on scientific significance, at the level of the opening of the century.
The theory of tides is easier to understand, first by studying this theory.

[Kryptid]

The biggest mystery to me is why Yusup Hizirov asked for a link to the claim that a decrease in air pressure of 1 hectopascal causes the sea level to rise by 1 centimeter when he knew in advance that he was going to deny it anyway. I provided you with an authoritative source written by experts in the field of meteorology and hydrology, yet you still denied that was true. You would have done us all a great favor if you had told us that you would not accept any evidence, not even that given by the experts, that your ideas are wrong. Then we all would have known better than to waste our time trying to teach you basic science.

That being said, I'm out.

[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

I provided you with an authoritative source written by experts in the field of meteorology and hydrology, yet you still denied that was true.

The level of the Gulf of Bothnia is 50 meters deep, can not rise so high, due to a decrease in air pressure, and a centrifugal wave can raise the sea level to 2-3 meters if the whirlpool speed rises to 10-15 km per hour.

[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

If the cyclone hangs over the sea, it rotates the water and lowers the air pressure.
And the sea level increases the whirlpool.

[Colin2B]

The presented theory on the level of complexity, is at the level of primary school. And on scientific significance, at the level of the opening of the century.
The theory of tides is easier to understand, first by studying this theory.

Who is ready to refute or recognize this theory.

You have already answered it for us. This link you quoted says nothing about rotation speeds of whirlpools, but does say:
“What are the causes of this phenomenon?
The main culprit of the tides is the Moon and, to a lesser extent, the Sun. The inhabitants of the sea coast have long noticed the connection of the tides with the movement of these luminaries.
How does the Moon and the Sun affect the movement of water in the seas and oceans? That's how. It is known that the Moon moves around the Earth and that both planets move around the Sun. But since the Moon is many times closer to the Earth than the Sun, the Moon's attraction to the Earth is much stronger than the impact of the Sun. Naturally, this influence has the strongest and most visible effect on the liquid shell of our planet, that is, on the oceans and seas.
If there were no continents and islands on the surface of the Earth and the whole Earth would be covered by water (also of equal depth), then the impact of the moon on this world ocean would have the following effect. In the region of the ocean closest to the Moon, due to attraction, there will be a rising of water to meet the Moon. At the same time, in the opposite part of the world ocean, the centrifugal force will also cause a rise in water. But since the rising of the water can not happen anywhere without a drop in the level elsewhere, this fall will occur in a strip perpendicular to the line of action of the moon. The moon circumnavigates the globe within 24 hours 50 minutes; Thus, it is obvious that the rising and lowering of waters as a result of the tidal wave following the movement of the Moon will take place twice a day in the world's oceans.
We said that the Sun, due to its remoteness, has less impact on the ocean's waters. However, when the Moon and the Sun are aligned with the Earth on one straight line (in the new moon and the full moon), the particles of water will be under the influence of both luminaries, and, naturally, this will cause the greatest tide. But there may be an opposite phenomenon, when the Moon and the Sun are on lines perpendicular to each other. In this case, the forces of the two luminaries will be directed in different directions and will counteract each other. Obviously, and the tide will be at this moment the smallest.
We considered this phenomenon now in the conditions of a boundless world ocean, but in fact, continents and islands divide the world ocean into separate oceans and various seas. The land impedes the free propagation of the tidal wave and introduces a great variety in the nature of this phenomenon.”

So as @Bored chemist  says, you seem to be in agreement with us that the moon and sun are the primary reason for tides.

Also:

The length of the tidal wave depends on the diameter of the whirlpool. And the height of the tidal wave depends on the rotation speed of the whirlpool of the orbital velocity of the Earth, and the time of the tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).
A = V1 • V2 / t
where: A is the amplitude of the tidal wave (precession angle).
V1 - rotation speed of the whirlpool.
V2 is the orbital velocity of the Earth.
t - the time of tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).

The first problem with this formula is that it does not return an amplitude, it produces a number of square metres per second. That is clearly wrong.

Next problem involves timing:

As is known, everything that rotates, including whirlpools, possess the property of a gyro (yule) to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.
If you look at the Earth from the Sun, the whirlpools, rotating together with the Earth, turn over twice a day, due to which the whirlpools precess (swing by 1-2 degrees) and reflect the tidal wave around the entire perimeter of the whirlpool.

A rigid gyroscope on earth will indeed align itself to the sidereal day which is 4mins shorter than the solar day. However, that gives a number of problems for your theory.
Firstly, we know from observation that the main tide period is period is about 12hrs 25mins - half a lunar day - so two tides take 24hrs 50mins which is the average time for the Earth to rotate once relative to the Moon. This is a hugh difference from your difference of 4mins in 24hrs making your double tide period 23hrs 56mins.  Clearly your predictions can never work with this theory.

[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

You are in the theme "Seasonal rise in the level of the seas and oceans", A you write about the tides.
You were wrong with the topic.

[Colin2B]

You are in the theme "Seasonal rise in the level of the seas and oceans", A you write about the tides.
You were wrong with the topic.

I was responding to your post #26 where you raise topic of tides:

The presented theory on the level of complexity, is at the level of primary school. And on scientific significance, at the level of the opening of the century.
The theory of tides is easier to understand, first by studying this theory.

Who is ready to refute or recognize this theory.

Maybe it is you who are wrong with the topic.
Either way, your theory of tides is broken, and even you provide links showing moon/sun theory is correct.

[The Spoon]

The presented theory on the level of complexity, is at the level of primary school. And on scientific significance, at the level of the opening of the century.
The theory of tides is easier to understand, first by studying this theory.

Who is ready to refute or recognize this theory.

Nobody. It is nonsense.

[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

The presented theory on the level of complexity, is at the level of primary school. And on scientific significance, at the level of the opening of the century.
The theory of tides is easier to understand, first by studying this theory.

Who is ready to refute or recognize this theory.

Nobody. It is nonsense.

Write constructive criticism.

[opportunity]

Your question is a "seasonal increase" in water levels, and that ultimately comes down to the effect of the Moon. Beyond that is what this topic is about, right?

The moon does not affect the seasonal increase in sea and ocean levels.

Yes, apologies for not explaining further.

I'm thinking that with four seasons a year, there are 3 times in each season the Moon is full and effects tides in different areas and different geographies, each season. Of course each season has different heat-cold differentials with each of these triple tidal activities each season.


I think oceanography is going to be a buzz-subject, a growth science, in years to come, and the effect of the ocean in the context of global warming. The idea of scientific and mathematical modelling of tides and the like will be crucial to social planning.

[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

I think oceanography is going to be a buzz-subject, a growth science, in years to come, and the effect of the ocean in the context of global warming. The idea of scientific and mathematical modelling of tides and the like will be crucial to social planning.

The reason for the seasonal rise in sea level is sought by all the institutions of oceanology of the world.
But they do not know what the answer is at this forum.

[opportunity]

I think oceanography is going to be a buzz-subject, a growth science, in years to come, and the effect of the ocean in the context of global warming. The idea of scientific and mathematical modelling of tides and the like will be crucial to social planning.

The reason for the seasonal rise in sea level is sought by all the institutions of oceanology of the world.
But they do not know what the answer is at this forum.

I'm thinking the seasonal rise is because of how the earth oscillates "as" the seasons. Sure we have the spin of the earth and those currents and tidal activity (with the Moon, apologies, but the gravity is there), yet "perpendicular" to the spin of the planet is the axial to and fro tilting which would "have to" create a type of up and down seasonal tidal wash effect, right?

[Colin2B]

The reason for the seasonal rise in sea level is sought by all the institutions of oceanology of the world.
But they do not know what the answer is at this forum.

It isn’t sought by the major institutions, and I know because I studied at one, they are able to predict tides to a high degree of accuracy.
The answer is know, but you fail to understand it because you are locked into a hypothesis which gives incorrect answers.

[opportunity]

The reason for the seasonal rise in sea level is sought by all the institutions of oceanology of the world.
But they do not know what the answer is at this forum.

It isn’t sought by the major institutions, and I know because I studied at one, they are able to predict tides to a high degree of accuracy.
The answer is know, but you fail to understand it because you are locked into a hypothesis which gives incorrect answers.

Yusup has got that, Colin. The issue isn't the idea of the general tides, but the variations of tides, the variations more towards the poles, and in a seasonal context.

[Colin2B]

Yusup has got that, Colin. The issue isn't the idea of the general tides, but the variations of tides, the variations more towards the poles, and in a seasonal context.

No he hasn’t got it. Look at #1 to #7, he is arguing a whirpool hypothesis which isn’t supported by actual observations.
He is consistently confusing circulating waves with circulating currents.
You can’t have a discussion on seasonal variations which denies the obvious link between sun/moon and tidal periodicity, as it is the superposition of all the effects which gives rise to what we observe.
Until he accepts that the sun+moon are responsible for the primary tidal effects it is impossible to have an intelligent conversation about tides.

[opportunity]

Yusup has got that, Colin. The issue isn't the idea of the general tides, but the variations of tides, the variations more towards the poles, and in a seasonal context.

No he hasn’t got it. Look at #1 to #7, he is arguing a whirpool hypothesis which isn’t supported by actual observations.
He is consistently confusing circulating waves with circulating currents.
You can’t have a discussion on seasonal variations which denies the obvious link between sun/moon and tidal periodicity, as it is the superposition of all the effects which gives rise to what we observe.
Until he accepts that the sun+moon are responsible for the primary tidal effects it is impossible to have an intelligent conversation about tides.

Colin, its the reference of the fundamentals, chicken or the egg, large scale effects or small scale first.


As I said in another post:

Yusuf is an "Oceanographer". He knows his stuff. He's asking the question of tides with the aim of presenting "local" tidal sources, not basic earth-moon dynamic.

[opportunity]

Its possible, at least equate in gravitational forces of nearest satellites, such as the Moon.

[Yusup Hizirov (OP)]

Repeat please this question.

[Bored chemist]

Repeat please this question.

What do you mean?

[opportunity]

The presented theory on the level of complexity, is at the level of primary school. And on scientific significance, at the level of the opening of the century.
The theory of tides is easier to understand, first by studying this theory.
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Waters of lakes, seas and oceans of the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, and the waters of the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise, forming giant whirlpools. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_gyre

The main reason for the rotation of the whirlpools are, local winds, flowing into the seas and oceans of the river and the deflecting force of Coriolis.
And the higher the speed of the winds, the higher the rotation speed of the whirlpools, and as a consequence, the higher the centrifugal force of the whirlpools, thereby raising the level of the waters of the seas and oceans.
And the lower the rotation speed of the whirlpools, the lower the water level of the seas and oceans ..

The speed of the currents along the perimeter of the seas and oceans is not the same everywhere and depends on the depth of the coast.
In the shallow part of the seas and oceans, the current moves rapidly, and in the deep-water part of the seas and oceans the current moves slowly.

Seasonal water level rise is not observed throughout the coast of the seas and oceans, but only in those coasts where the high angular velocity of the currents and as a consequence, the high centrifugal force of the water. (Centrifugal force F = mv2 / r).
On the rectilinear coasts, where the currents do not have angular velocity, the water level does not increase.

The waters of the Gulf of Finland rotate counter-clockwise, forming a whirlpool in the form of an ellipse.
And when the seasonal south-west winds untwist the whirlpool to 5 km / h, the centrifugal force of the whirlpool increases, so that the water level rises to 30 cm on the eastern coast of the Gulf of Finland.
A similar scheme of seasonal water level rise is observed in all lakes, seas and oceans ..

The average depth of the Gulf of Finland is about 50 meters, on the east coast about 5 meters, in the west of the bay about 100 meters, for this reason, on the eastern coast of the Gulf of Finland, the linear and angular velocity of the currents is much higher (by how much less the depth of the coast, ) ..

In the Gulf of Finland, the seasonal increase in the water level has two peaks: in August-September, and in December-January and coincide with the season of south-west winds.
The current velocity in the Gulf of Finland reaches from 2 to 17 km / h, and the maximum current speed on the Earth reaches 30 km / h, the wind speed is more than 100 km / h.
http://goo.gl/eYVTo6

The waters of the North Sea rotate counter-clockwise forming a huge whirlpool.
And when seasonal northwesterly storm winds unleash a whirlpool (up to 20 km / h on the southern coast), the centrifugal force of the whirlpool increases, so that on the southern coast of the North Sea the water level rises to 5 meters.
(Storm wave 2.5 meters, centrifugal wave 2.5 meters).
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:North_Sea_Currents.svg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953

The waters of the Caspian Sea rotate counter-clockwise, forming a whirlpool in the form of an ellipse.
And when the seasonal winds and flood river Volga unleash the whirlpool, the centrifugal force of the whirlpool increases, due to which, on the northern coast of the Caspian Sea, the water level rises to 1 meter.

The average depth of the Caspian Sea is about 200 meters, on the northern coast about 5 meters, on the southern coast about 700 meters.
Due to this, in the north of the Caspian, the current speed rises from 1 to 10 km / h.
In the Caspian Sea, the peak seasonal increase in water levels is observed in June-August and coincides with the season of winds, and the flood of the Volga River.
During the drought over the Volga river basin, the level of the Caspian Sea does not increase.
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/06.png
http://goo.gl/47tXq2

During the season of the western winds, the current velocity along the Murmansk coast of the Barents Sea rises to 5 km / h, due to which the seasonal rise in the water level reaches 0.5 meters.
The maximum level values ​​are observed in October-November minimum in April-May.
http://proznania.ru/?page_id=2353

In the Bay of Bengal in the season of monsoon winds, the whirlpool speed rises to 10 km / h, due to which, the seasonal rise in water level reaches 1.2 meters.
http://www.aziya-tur.ru/bengal%27skii-zaliv.php

Seasonal changes in the level of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk are 0.2-0.5 m. The highest levels are observed in November-January, the smallest in March-April.
http://parusa.narod.ru/bib/books/fareast/1406-1.htm

Seasonal increase in the level of the Black Sea (up to 40 cm) is most pronounced in the southeastern part of the sea, where in summer the angular velocity of the currents reaches a maximum value.
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/07.html

The assumption that the cause of seasonal water level rise may be atmospheric pressure, river runoff, temperature difference and water salinity does not stand up to criticism, these factors can increase the water level by several cm, but not more.
Cyclones moving above the surfЭЭace of the sea from west to east at a speed of up to 40 km / h can increase sea level for several days by untwisting the whirlpool.
http://www.okeanavt.ru/tainiokeana/1066mifosrednemurovne.html
The presented theory can be easily verified by the connection between the velocity of currents aоnd the sea level and the oceans.
(Drawing on a map of depths and currents, seas and oceans).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_cycle_of_sea_level_height
https://research.csiro.au/slrwavescoast/sea-level/sea-level-change/

That was the first question.


What is the answer to the last in this series and is it a good one for you?