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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #20 on: 23/08/2018 21:35:28 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 23/08/2018 21:25:06
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 23/08/2018 20:52:14
I did not know this
There are many things you do not know.
Perhaps you should learn some before trying to tell everyone that they are wrong
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me, but I did not know that lowering the atmospheric pressure could raise the sea level by 1 meter.
You can give a link to this information.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #21 on: 24/08/2018 08:10:55 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 23/08/2018 21:35:28
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me
Judging by your posts they are evidently not.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #22 on: 26/08/2018 02:11:07 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 21/08/2018 21:48:44
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 21/08/2018 21:38:38
Quote from: Bored chemist on 10/08/2018 18:13:18
But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.
October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters (Once in the history of observation).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.
1. Gravitation.
2. The coastline
3. Inclination of the moon.
4. Rotational speed of the whirlpool.
Have you heard of weather?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #23 on: 26/08/2018 02:54:42 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 02:11:07
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.

Show your math.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #24 on: 26/08/2018 09:34:23 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 26/08/2018 02:54:42
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 02:11:07
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.

Show your math.
This question please ask in my topic "Seasonal rise in sea and ocean water levels" https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74385.0
And here he is clogging the topic "Why are tides disappearing in some places"?
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #25 on: 26/08/2018 09:40:24 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 09:34:23
Quote from: Kryptid on 26/08/2018 02:54:42
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 02:11:07
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.

Show your math.
This question please ask in my topic "Seasonal rise in sea and ocean water levels" https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74385.0
And here he is clogging the topic "Why are tides disappearing in some places"?

You made the assertion in this thread, you should respond (with the math) in this thread.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #26 on: 26/08/2018 10:22:35 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 02:11:07
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.
No
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 23/08/2018 20:52:14
I did not know this,
It seems you have yet to learn.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #27 on: 26/08/2018 14:25:01 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/08/2018 10:22:35
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 02:11:07
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.
No
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me, but I did not know that lowering the atmospheric pressure could raise the sea level by 1 meter.
You can give a link to this information.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #28 on: 26/08/2018 14:31:41 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 14:25:01
Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/08/2018 10:22:35
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 02:11:07
Lowering the air pressure will increase the sea level by a maximum of 10 cm.
No
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me, but I did not know that lowering the atmospheric pressure could raise the sea level by 1 meter.
You can give a link to this information.
This is one. The effect is well known to sailors who make adjustments based on weather.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #29 on: 26/08/2018 14:59:57 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 09:34:23
This question please ask in my topic "Seasonal rise in sea and ocean water levels" https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74385.0
And here he is clogging the topic "Why are tides disappearing in some places"?

So you didn't do any actual math.

The Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute confirms that a change in pressure of 1 hPa changes the sea level by 1 centimeter: https://www.smhi.se/en/theme/air-pressure-and-sea-level-1.12266

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The average sea level during a year is 0 cmPGA and the average air pressure is 1013 hPa. Since the air pressure normally varies between 950 and 1050 hPa during a year, the expected variation in sea level due to air pressure is between +63 cm and -37 cm around mean sea level.

63 centimeters plus 37 centimeters is 100 centimeters (1 meter),
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #30 on: 26/08/2018 16:13:54 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 26/08/2018 14:59:57
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 09:34:23
This question please ask in my topic "Seasonal rise in sea and ocean water levels" https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74385.0
And here he is clogging the topic "Why are tides disappearing in some places"?

So you didn't do any actual math.

The Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute confirms that a change in pressure of 1 hPa changes the sea level by 1 centimeter: https://www.smhi.se/en/theme/air-pressure-and-sea-level-1.12266

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The average sea level during a year is 0 cmPGA and the average air pressure is 1013 hPa. Since the air pressure normally varies between 950 and 1050 hPa during a year, the expected variation in sea level due to air pressure is between +63 cm and -37 cm around mean sea level.

63 centimeters plus 37 centimeters is 100 centimeters (1 meter),
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me, but I did not know that lowering the atmospheric pressure could raise the sea level by 1 meter.
You can give a link to this information. (Where you saw that this is the eighth wonder of the world)
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #31 on: 26/08/2018 17:37:02 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 26/08/2018 16:13:54
The reasons for seasonal fluctuations in sea and ocean levels are known to me, but I did not know that lowering the atmospheric pressure could raise the sea level by 1 meter.

This is literally the third time that you have made this statement word-for-word.

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You can give a link to this information.

I already did. I can post it, but I can't make you read it: https://www.smhi.se/en/theme/air-pressure-and-sea-level-1.12266

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(Where you saw that this is the eighth wonder of the world)

What are you even talking about?
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #32 on: 26/08/2018 18:10:00 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 26/08/2018 17:37:02
I can post it, but I can't make you read it: https://www.smhi.se/en/theme/air-pressure-and-sea-level-1.12266
I apologize for my inattention, very informative link.
I know that the maximum speed of the current in the east of the Finnish Gulf is up to 15 km an hour, once in a hundred years. (During the south-west wind).
I wonder what the maximum speed of the current is in the east of the Botnic Bay.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #33 on: 26/08/2018 20:11:46 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 21/08/2018 21:38:38
Quote from: Bored chemist on 10/08/2018 18:13:18
But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.
October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters (Once in the history of observation).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.
1. Gravitation.
2. The coastline
3. Inclination of the moon.
4. Rotational speed of the whirlpool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1869_Saxby_Gale
Sharp fluctuations in the amplitude of tides occur not only in the Bay of Fundy, but also in other bays where rivers flow.
You can read the encyclopedia
https://www.encyclopedia.com/earth-and-environment/geology-and-oceanography/geology-and-oceanography/tides
https://www.1902encyclopedia.com/T/TID/tides.html
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #34 on: 27/08/2018 14:23:21 »
Everyone else knows the answer. It’s only you ignoring the truth.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #35 on: 28/08/2018 17:36:30 »
Quote from: Colin2B on 27/08/2018 14:23:21
Everyone else knows the answer.
Such experts in the field of tides as Laplace, D.G. Darwin, J. Erie and others could not answer this question, and all forum participants know the answer.
It's curious!
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #36 on: 29/08/2018 00:39:16 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 28/08/2018 17:36:30
Such experts in the field of tides as Laplace, D.G. Darwin, J. Erie and others could not answer this question, and all forum participants know the answer.
It's curious!

So you're relying on the word of people from the late 19th and early 20th century (or in Laplace's case early 19th century) to overturn what is accepted scientific fact in the 21st century?

It's curious!
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #37 on: 29/08/2018 06:31:27 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 28/08/2018 17:36:30
Such experts in the field of tides as Laplace, D.G. Darwin, J. Erie and others could not answer this question, and all forum participants know the answer.
It's curious!
What is curious is that you think tidal theory stopped with Laplace et al, and you seem to be ignoring all work since a 1902 encyclopedia.
The question is now answerable, but only you seem unwilling to accept it.
Get a better encyclopaedia.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #38 on: 29/08/2018 12:09:14 »
Who from contemporaries is an authoritative expert in the field of tides, whether at Cambridge University.
Who can name 2-3 names and write a link to their work.
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« Reply #39 on: 29/08/2018 13:26:32 »
Look on the NOAA site. You won’t find single, individual names as most research is team effort.
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