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You don't even need the test of "reasonably" foreseeable. If your god is omniscient, he must have foreseen everything and is therefore liable for all that harms you, including congenital syphilis - just one small creature of the creator. If he isn't omniscient, he is of no value as a god.
"If I left a kid in a room full of boxes of matches, would it be reasonable for me to say the ensuing fire wasn't my fault?"yes, absolutely!since the almighty in his infinite wisdom, gave us free will; the fault lies in the kid's misuse of matches.this might also be one of god's mysterious ways of culling the human species of stupid offspring; so as not to pass along bad genes.(however, hopefully you would have insurance, since god has something of a clause in the contract he wrote; that does not permit lawsuits against a diety. you may be permited to screem an objection into the night of "why, why, WHY??, however it appears such appeals are not heard by the court of the highest standing.)
I believe in free will, but not the kind granted by any deity; but by the human spirit.free will as regards decision making, in my opinion, results in a win/loss conclusion; good and evil are moral judgments.
Let us supposed we were that kid with the matches. Now if we light the match and burn down the place (for our own enjoyment), can we claim ignorance later on?
I can't make decisions to commit evil crimes against others and then claim innocence.
Quote from: ATMD on 06/12/2018 01:37:57Let us supposed we were that kid with the matches. Now if we light the match and burn down the place (for our own enjoyment), can we claim ignorance later on? The point of choosing children in the example is that they can not be held responsible for their actions; they know no better.Quote from: ATMD on 06/12/2018 01:37:57I can't make decisions to commit evil crimes against others and then claim innocence.Nor would I.However, it seems God does.Mankind gets the blame for the obvious direct result of God's actions.
In other words, christians are morally no better or worse than anyone else, but better organised than most. You still have the problem that whilst a common belief in a deity can help to organise people who want to do good things, it also provides an excuse and motivation to do evil things.An apology cannot excuse or undo centuries of abuse committed in the Name of the Lord. The abusers will rot in Hell, along with any who seek to justify or diminish their actions retrospectively. And it is their fault for inventing Hell.
Religion is a sickness , thou shall not hurt others etc, just lies , religious fallacy , makes hate in my eyes.
as a confirmed atheist, i claim immunity from any and all atrocities committed by any and all religions.
as I have stated, I do not believe in Karma.I just feel it unfair that it follows me wherever I go.