[Kryptid]

Photoelectric effect theory won a Nobel Prize. But it is incorrect.

What evidence do you have for that claim?

If photon has momentum, why navy laser weapon has no kinetic impact?

As I pointed out more than once, it does have a kinetic impact.

Why light mill does not move in hard vacuum?

What is a "light mill"?

Why photons don't slow down in water like bullets?

Because photons aren't physical objects in the way that bullets are.

LIGO lied detected gravity wave for more funding.

Are you prepared to supply evidence for the existence of that conspiracy? VIRGO in Europe must have been in on the same conspiracy.

Gravity is coexisted with all matters, therefore gravity wave must be instantaneous.

Non-sequitur.

If gravity speed is not infinite, planets cannot stay in stable orbit.

Based on what reasoning?

Simple facts, why Nobel Prize awarded to LIGO?

Because, contrary to your claims, they actually did find gravitational waves. That is, unless you can actually give good, verifiable evidence of a hoax.

[seeker3 (OP)]

You don't understand forces are coexisting with matters all the time, therefore forces have no speed, forces are always there, already there.

What can I do to help you?

12 years old can understand, force is existing all the time, therefore instant, infinite speed, instantaneous.

[Kryptid]

You don't understand forces are coexisting with matters all the time, therefore forces have no speed, forces are always there, already there.

The particles that mediate those forces have a finite velocity. If they didn't, we could use them to send signals faster than light and signal delay between spacecraft wouldn't be a problem.

What can I do to help you?

Learn some actual science.

12 years old can understand, force is existing all the time, therefore instant, infinite speed, instantaneous.

I don't expect a 12 year-old to understand physics very well. I've already pointed out to you that force travelling at an infinite speed would lead to seismic waves travelling at infinite speed. Instead, they travel at a finite, measurable speed. So the data proves you wrong.

[seeker3 (OP)]

Gravity is always attracting Sun and earth, never stop, never travel. Therefore gravity has no speed, instantaneous.

What is not clear?

Are you playing fool or what?

[Kryptid]

Gravity is always attracting Sun and earth, never stop, never travel. Therefore gravity has no speed, instantaneous.

Non-sequitur. The Sun and the Earth are indeed attracting each other at all times, but that does not automatically imply that gravity travels an infinite speed.

What is not clear?

How you came to believe this, for one.

Are you playing fool or what?

I'm trying to play the voice of reason in an otherwise anti-science thread.

[seeker3 (OP)]

You know gravity is always there attracting Sun and earth for sure.

How gravity travels? From where to where?

[seeker3 (OP)]

Thank God.

I finally helped a brother understood why gravity is instantaneous.

[seeker3 (OP)]

Now you know scientists are mistaken that gravity has a speed.

China faked news measured gravity speed is light speed C. Or they lied.

LIGO is the same way.

Agreed now?

[seeker3 (OP)]

Truth is so simple, so clear. Gravity is instantaneous.

Why all scientists, all textbooks, tell you gravity has light speed?

You think you can make scientists to believe gravity is instantaneous?

You think textbooks will fix the mistaken?

[Kryptid]

How gravity travels? From where to where?

It is currently modeled as travelling in the form of virtual gravitons from one object that has mass to another.

Now you know scientists are mistaken that gravity has a speed.

No, they aren't.

China faked news measured gravity speed is light speed C. Or they lied.

LIGO is the same way.

When were such conspiracies ever shown to exist?

Truth is so simple, so clear. Gravity is instantaneous.

What experiment measured it as being instantaneous?

Why all scientists, all textbooks, tell you gravity has light speed?

Because it does: nothing can transmit information faster than light without violating causality.

You think you can make scientists to believe gravity is instantaneous?

Probably some of them who aren't any wiser.

You think textbooks will fix the mistaken?

There is no mistake to be fixed.

[seeker3 (OP)]

How gravity travels? From where to where?

It is currently modeled as travelling in the form of virtual gravitons from one object that has mass to another.

Model is imaginary and stupid. Graviton has never been detected.

Gravity is a force, is always between matters.

What is graviton made of? How graviton travels? What is the mechanism? How graviton attract mass?

Science is not word puzzle, word games. All things in nature have its precise mechanism, Only BS theories don't have a precise mechanism.

[Kryptid]

Model is imaginary and stupid.

Pretty much all science on the subatomic level is a model because we can't directly observe it. Despite that, they give predictions that are in excellent agreement with measurements.

Graviton has never been detected.

It hasn't been detected, no, but there is good theoretical reason to believe that they are there.

What is graviton made of?

It's a fundamental particle. It isn't made of anything simpler than itself.

How graviton travels? What is the mechanism?

As a wave through space-time.

How graviton attract mass?

It curves space-time, which causes matter to move in accordance with the curvature.

Science is not word puzzle, word games.

You only call it that because you don't understand it.

All things in nature have its precise mechanism,

Yes, but that doesn't mean that we have to know what that precise mechanism is in order to observe the behavior of the system and make falsifiable predictions based on that behavior.

Only BS theories don't have a precise mechanism.

Evolutionary theory didn't start off with a precise mechanism for the inheritance of physical traits, yet it was still immensely successful and accurate. So you're wrong.

[seeker3 (OP)]

So the Sun emit gravitons to earth?

Earth emit gravitons to the Sun?

At light speed as a wave?

Where are all the gravitons?

Does graviton carry mass, charge, energy?

Does graviton interact with photon? How? Why?

[Kryptid]

So the Sun emit gravitons to earth?

Theoretically, yes.

Earth emit gravitons to the Sun?

Yes.

At light speed as a wave?

Yes.

Where are all the gravitons?

Space is filled with them, but they interact too weakly with matter to directly detect with current technology.

Does graviton carry mass, charge, energy?

No charge, but they do have energy and by extension they should have relativistic mass.

Does graviton interact with photon? How? Why?

It should, since light rays are bent by gravity. How exactly that happens is not something I'm entirely sure about. I'm guessing that the graviton is absorbed by the photon, which is emitting gravitons of its own.

[seeker3 (OP)]

I explained gravity clearly without using any assumptions and imaginary particle.

I explained the precise mechanism of light, without using any assumptions and imaginary particle.

If you have rational thinking, ask yourself, why no one else debunks me just like you?

[Kryptid]

I explained gravity clearly without using any assumptions and imaginary particle.

You got it wrong, so you didn't explain anything. You also did make assumptions (such as assuming that gravity is caused by electromagnetism).

I explained the precise mechanism of light, without using any assumptions and imaginary particle.

You got it wrong, so you didn't explain anything.

If you have rational thinking, ask yourself, why no one else debunks me just like you?

Because they can't be bothered to, I assume. Besides, it isn't me who's debunking you, it's modern science.

[seeker3 (OP)]

I said all forces are electrostatic force in nature, because all matters are made from atoms, all atoms are made from charged particles. All charged particles only carry electrostatic force.

How can matters carry other kind of force without been electrostatic force in nature?

Simple logic. Agree?

[Kryptid]

I said all forces are electrostatic force in nature

And that's wrong.

because all matters are made from atoms, all atoms are made from charged particles.

Well, normal matter anyway.

All charged particles only carry electrostatic force.

Nope, wrong. That is one of your pitfall assumptions.

How can matters carry other kind of force without been electrostatic force in nature?

By having the required fields to interact with other forces (such as gravity, the strong force and weak force).

Simple logic. Agree?

Not even close.

[seeker3 (OP)]

What else force electron carry?

What else force proton carry?

[Kryptid]

What else force electron carry?

The weak nuclear force and gravity.

What else force proton carry?

The weak nuclear force, the strong nuclear force and gravity.