[pasala (OP)]

HOW GRAVITY WORKS:
Closed volumes with mass:  All closed volumes such as elementary particles Proton(s), neutron(s) and electron(s) pushes their surroundings and produces convex curvature of spacetime.   Their internal spacetime "pushes" the surrounding spacetime to make room. The density of spacetime around the closed volume increases, and the latter has difficulty to move. As a result, a "mass effect" appears, i.e. an effect having all the characteristics of mass. Since spacetime has properties of elasticity, as per Einstein it exerts a pressure on the surface of closed volumes. The mass component [M] can be extracted from the pressure [M/LT2] by simple mathematical operations. This leads to a 4D expression of the mass: m = f(x,y,z,t)

Open Volumes, massless: It is just a vacuum, but sometimes found in various forms such as the volume of orbitals or the space between atoms. These volumes exist but they are "porous" regarding spacetime. More exactly, they are subject to variations of spacetime but they do not curve spacetime themselves. Therefore, open volumes are massless since no curvature means no mass

If we replace the closed volume by two or more closed volumes, the pressure exerted by spacetime on these volumes tends to bring them closer to each other. The result is equivalent to an attraction. For example, a pressure on one side of a sheet of paper is equivalent to an attraction on the other side. In both cases, the sheet is curved.
Gravitation is not an attractive force between masses, but a pressure force exerted by spacetime on closed volumes that tends to bring them closer to each other.


How Gravity works:
It is true that all elementary particles pushes their surroundings and produces convex curvature.  If we replace two or more closed volumes, pressure against them increases and the same was experimentally proved.

First of all, we have to remember that this experiment was done in a Gravity field only.  Gravity is already influencing each and every particle and Gravity is of “matter blind”.  We are testing Gravity effect on closed volume in a Gravity field.

Suppose if a closed volume has to “curve the spacetime” means its internal energy must come out.  So each and every closed volume must be exited with energy to do so.  Isn’t it appears something extra-ordinary and unbelievable.   
 Here, we are looking at one side of the coin only.  There is potential energy stored on this Earth.  It is creating pressure/force on all closed volumes.  Excess energy, emitted by the closed volume comes out and pushes the outside energy, which appears as curvature.   “THIS IS THE CURVATURE”.

However it is true that energy is of object oriented.  Since all masses are its objects it start collecting/pooling against it and creates pressure which is known as “mass effect”.  It mainly depends on the availability of energy in the open area.

“Gravity is not an attractive force between masses but pressure force exerted by spacetime”. 

Unless there is pooling/concentration of energy against mass gravity is impossible.  Water particles are raising due to radiation and these particles moves so high that it curves the space.  When these particles joins with other particles, due to gravity or geodesics, becomes heavier and creates pressure on the energy and “mass effect” comes out.

Gravity as Curved Spacetime
Einstein eventually identified the property of spacetime which is responsible for gravity as its curvature. Space and time in Einstein's universe are no longer flat (as implicitly assumed by Newton) but can pushed and pulled, stretched and warped by matter. Gravity feels strongest where spacetime is most curved, and it vanishes where spacetime is flat. This is the core of Einstein's theory of general relativity, which is often summed up in words as follows: "matter tells spacetime how to curve, and curved spacetime tells matter how to move". A standard way to illustrate this idea is to place a bowling ball (representing a massive object such as the sun) onto a stretched rubber sheet (representing spacetime). If a marble is placed onto the rubber sheet, it will roll toward the bowling ball, and may even be put into "orbit" around the bowling ball. This occurs, not because the smaller mass is "attracted" by a force emanating from the larger one, but because it is traveling along a surface which has been deformed by the presence of the larger mass. In the same way gravitation in Einstein's theory arises not as a force propagating through spacetime, but rather as a feature of spacetime itself. According to Einstein, your weight on earth is due to the fact that your body is traveling through warped spacetime!

As we have seen, matter does not simply pull on other matter across empty space, as Newton had imagined. Rather matter distorts space-time and it is this distorted space-time that in turn affects other matter. Objects (including planets, like the Earth, for instance) fly freely under their own inertia through warped space-time, following curved paths because this is the shortest possible path (or geodesic) in warped space-time.
This, in a nutshell, then, is the General Theory of Relativity, and its central premise is that the curvature of space-time is directly determined by the distribution of matter and energy contained within it. What complicates things, however, is that the distribution of matter and energy is in turn governed by the curvature of space, leading to a feedback loop and a lot of very complex mathematics. Thus, the presence of mass/energy determines the geometry of space, and the geometry of space determines the motion of mass/energy.

About General theory of relativity:
: "matter tells spacetime how to curve, and curved spacetime tells matter how to move". This is the central premise of Einstein’s general theory of relativity.  Actually curvature of spacetime by the closed volume is the base for this.  When a small particle curves the space what about huge masses such as Earth.   “According to Einstein, your weight on earth is due to the fact that your body is traveling through warped spacetime” .

Earth is not rotating against gravity but gravity itself hooked Earth.  Here Earth is moving means it is not Earth alone, things existing on the Earth, gravity field everything in one unit.  Spacetime is warped not due to spinning of Earth.  There is strong potential energy on this Earth and it is due to mass effect, warping things on the Earth. Here comparison to cylindrical carnival ride to Earth is not so correct.  Cylindrical carnival is moving in a gravity field.  As the carnival moves, at the edges gravity weakens and climate warps the edges.

As per Newton,  "it follows that a moving body has no determinate velocity and no definite line in which it moves". 
In fact curvature is only against the mass and there are no curved paths. Imagine empty space - in our case, a two-dimensional plane - with no forces acting between the bodies floating around. If there are no forces, then classical mechanics and Einstein's mechanics of special relativity are in agreement: Under these circumstances, bodies move along the straightest possible lines.

In flat, empty space-time, small test panrticles follow straight lines.

Ok, let us imagine that there is 2d space or empty space. Suppose small test particles A and B have started their journey in empty space.  As there is no Gravity or curved space nothing can stop them.  Let us analyse in detail.  Suppose if we detonate an atom bomb, energy is freed.  Nothing can stop movement of energy.  There is no scope for chain reaction. Each atom detonated, electrons, protons, neutrons comes out freely and makes their way.  Here there is no scope for E=MC2.

Here, in 2d space or empty space, light is impossible.  If switch an torch light, it never gives you any light. Potential energy stored within cell comes out, but, since it is empty, light particles moves out freely.

2d Space or empty space exists in between two solar systems only.

Suppose if we enter our solar system, 4d space time, energy and dust particles are present everywhere.  Here matter curves space time.  Here energy is in free  state and effects of gravity are absent. Ok, if we detonate an atom bomb, since there is curvature of space, it explodes, however in a slow motion and that too, as there is no pressure or force, chain reaction slows down, area coverage is limited and of course, sudden eddies into the space time is limited and it covers short radius only.  Here particle A and B cannot move freely as other particles obstruct them.

If we switch on a torch cell, it gives light but within short radius.  Light behaves differently as there is no gravity.  Light is not bent by gravity and therefore we have to arrange them near to us.

Einstein’s 4d spacetime:
This is present near to the huge masses such as Earth. A given configuration of matter distorts space-time geometry (not only because of mass, but also with its energy, inner tensions or pressure) and this distorted geometry makes matter move in certain ways. This movement, in turn, changes the matter configuration, and space-time geometry changes correspondingly. Now that space-time geometry is a bit different, it also acts on matter in a different way, matter moves, geometry changes, and so on in an endless dance.

Raise of particles:
This is the key point in creating Gravity in a 4d space time.  Our predecessors are having a wrong notion that spin of Earth is paving way for this.  We have to keep in mind that Earth is not rotating against gravity, but gravity itself hooked Earth. 

Each and every closed volume is undergoing the influence of Gravity, so naturally it comes down to Earth only.  But how particle A and B are raising.  If we observe nature carefully, it is water particles.  Due to radiation water particles are raising and are moving against Gravity.  It is paving way for storage of potential energy on this Earth. If the energy start pooling or concentrating at a particular place, water evaporates and start moving into the space.  If the pressure or force increases water particles and other dust particles moves to new height and it appears that space time is curved.  Meanwhile it is paving way for further accumulation of potential energy. Particles raising from Earth at different places joins with each other and becomes heavier and accelerates downwards.  In this way it warps space time of Earth, which is known as Gravity.

E = mc2 Enigma
 E = mc2 is a part of Special Relativity. However, despite the fact that the calculus is quite simple, Modern Physics does not propose a rational explanation of this strange phenomenon.
The Spacetime Model demonstrates that the principle of converting mass to energy is very simple. This principle is shown by the following example.
•   Part A
An empty sphere is immerged in a container filled with water. The surface of water is quiet.
•   Part B
If the sphere disappears suddenly by a thought experiment, the depression will make eddies which have energy (E = hν). Converting a mass to energy follows the same principle. A closed volume disappears, and is transformed into an open volume. This produces "eddies" in spacetime, which are gamma rays. These gamma rays may be converted into particles such as electrons-positrons pairs, and so on.


About E = mc2
There is Gravity and it is influencing each and every closed volume. Raising of particles have helped in creating potential energy stored on Earth.  Due to pressure/force exerted by this potential energy, each and every closed volume is curving the space time.

 If we say that closed volumes are curving space time by its internal energy, it is rather irrelevant.  If we detonate an atom, energy already present in the space time, potential energy, which created  “inward thrust” and it tries to occupy the gap.  Now energy freed from the atom, creates “outward thrust”.  This action increases radiation within short distance and paves way for chain reaction. Total process is completed within short time.  Initially an “inward thrust” is created and later “outward thrust”   creates eddies in the space time.

Total energy released by an atom bomb mainly depends on:
01  Internal energy
02  Gravity in a particular  place.
Suppose if we detonate the same atom bomb on Moon:
01  Internal energy is same.
02  Gravity is just 1/6th only

Since gravity is weak, curvature of space time by the closed volume is also weak. “eddies” into space time slows down and it spreads up to limited area only.

Suppose if the same atomic bomb is detonated in space, outside Earth’s climate: Here there is sufficient energy but it is not present with any force i.e., free state and thus even though there is inward as well outward thrust explosion is limited. 

How Solar system is working:
Big bang is the base for any solar system.  When two huge masses faced each other devastating fire started.  It resulted in release of huge energy into open area.    It is not only Sun but other planets also burnt for lot of period and pumped huge energy.  At present Sun is only maintaining this energy base.  It is true that energy is of ‘object oriented’. 

This energy base is present in the form of rings, like onion rings.  We can compare this to rainbow.  Since our Solar system is moving to unknown place, energy is moving along these rings. 

Ok, suppose an asteroid from 2d space or empty entered our solar system.   Energy curves the space time around the asteroid.  It all depends on the acceleration or speed with which the asteroid is travelling.  Suppose if the mass of the asteroid consists of light atoms than it yields to the energy and start moving along with other planets.

In case, if the asteroid crosses 1st one and enters next one, the 2nd one possess more energy than the 1st one.  So naturally curvature around the asteroid increases and creates more pressure.  If it yields than naturally it remains within that circle.

Moon is also one such asteroid only.  When it entered after crossing mostly 6 lanes, curvature increased and it simply yielded.  Moon is having its own Gravity field, so it started spinning against its axis.  Any asteroid that enters, initially yields to energy pressure and lose weight and will be thrown to inertial position. 

When Moon entered gravity field of Earth, both tug on each other, in fact both are in inertial position.  Energy within the lane is moving, it created pressure/force on the curvature and both started rotating against each other and also moved along the lane.  In case for any reason if the moon crosses this lane, it becomes independent planet, unless other planet influences it. 

In this universe each solar system is independent unit.

Rotation and revolution of planet:
Suppose we have sent a rocket into space.  There is potential energy stored in the space.  It start concentrating against rocket and curves the spacetime around the rocket and  throws it into inertial position.  Now rocket is in free state.   There is curvature of spacetime but there is no Gravity.  This curvature now start interacting with Gravity from Earth and Sun.  Strong energy waves coming from Sun pushes it and it start rotating against Earth Gravity waves.
In the case of planets it is different and there is Gravity.  Gravity waves will be moving out to far reaching places.  Energy rays coming from Sun interacts with these Gravity waves of planet, bents and enters planets atmosphere.  Meanwhile a movementum is gained and it starts rotating against its axis. 

Yours
Psreddy

[pasala (OP)]

Friends,

It is true that science developed a lot.  We know several things and we are able to carry out research in space and we are sending rockets to other planets. 

I think there is every need to revise the present existing theories.  I don't think it is so good, going by ants perception,  trampoline  analogy.  Ok, they may be correct, let us discuss to have "What exactly is gravity".

Yours
Psreddy

[Kryptid]

Total energy released by an atom bomb mainly depends on:
01  Internal energy
02  Gravity in a particular  place.
Suppose if we detonate the same atom bomb on Moon:
01  Internal energy is same.
02  Gravity is just 1/6th only

Since gravity is weak, curvature of space time by the closed volume is also weak. “eddies” into space time slows down and it spreads up to limited area only.

Suppose if the same atomic bomb is detonated in space, outside Earth’s climate: Here there is sufficient energy but it is not present with any force i.e., free state and thus even though there is inward as well outward thrust explosion is limited. 

We've been over this in a previous thread. Gravity has nothing to do with how powerful a nuclear reaction is.

[pasala (OP)]

Mr Kryptid
Newton viewed space as absolute.  To prove this he has taken water in a bucket tied it with thread and spin it with maximum speed and water started raising against the walls of the bucket.  He thought that this is the way space is formed. 

It is true that Newton has carried out this experiment in a strong Gravity field only and it is influencing his bucket, water therein.  When he spin it, due to acceleration water relaxed from Gravity and started raising against walls.
Can we take this experiment for the formation of space.  It is true that Earth is not spinning against Gravity but Gravity itself hooked Earth and making it to move.  Suppose if the Earth rotates against Gravity, water may raise but what about nature?. 

It is true that any theory mainly depends on the Science progress as on that date.  This incident happened in 17th Century and therefore it was right as on that date since there were no space shuttles and no rockets were sent into the space.

Ok let us imagine that Earth is in inertial position.  As per Newton’s first law of motion, any object remains in inertial position unless a force or pressure is acted upon it.  Here Earth cannot move by itself, unless there is a force.  So, Gravity is the force which is making Earth to spin on its axis.

At the dawn of 20th century particle physics played key role.  Each elementary particle curves the space time.  Energy level of particle surprised scientists.  Einstein realized that when an elementary particles curves the space time what about huge mass such as Earth.
 
“Gravity is not an attractive force between masses but pressure force exerted by spacetime”.

Ok, if we move to 2d space time, which is empty and elementary particle never curves the space time.  Here there is no Gravity at all.  All particles move from one place to other place with maximum speed.  Particle A and B never meet each other unless they enter 4d space time. 

Suppose if the elementary particle exhibits same energy level at all places there must be curvature even in 2d space time.  Irrelevant to space time 2d or 4d atom, must explode similar way.  In a 2d space time, there is no outside pressure of energy,  so elementary particle such as electrons behaves differently. 

Any explosion mainly depends on the pressure or force exerted by space time.  Elementary particle released from the atom must meet its counterpart, which is possible in a gravity field only.  More particles in the open area means more explosion.  “Eddies” also mainly depends on the pressure/force exerted by space time. 

If we explode one ton atomic bomb:

Its internal energy is far limited.  If the same is in 2d space, elementary particles comes out but they can not meet its counterpart as there is no gravity and moves out. 

But in a 4d space time such as Earth, due to Gravity they can meet other counter part and it paves the way for chain reaction.  “Eddies” in the space time mainly depends on the pressure or force with which space time is present. 
In a empty space time, there are no particles in the open area and thus no explosion at all.

Ok, how far it is correct to rely on “thought experiment”. 

Friends, it is not criticizing Newton or Einstein.

Yours
Psreddy

[Kryptid]

Newton viewed space as absolute.

He was wrong.

Gravity is the force which is making Earth to spin on its axis.

No it isn't. The fact that the matter that the Earth formed from was moving, combined with conservation of momentum, is what makes the Earth spin.

Any explosion mainly depends on the pressure or force exerted by space time.

No it doesn't. You just made that up.

Elementary particle released from the atom must meet its counterpart, which is possible in a gravity field only.

What does that even mean?

In a empty space time, there are no particles in the open area and thus no explosion at all.

Atomic bombs obviously aren't empty. They are filled with fissile material.

Friends, it is not criticizing Newton or Einstein.

If you are claiming that explosions generate less energy further away from a gravitational field then you are criticizing Einstein because you are saying that E=mc² is incorrect. No part of that equation depends upon the local strength of gravity.

[jeffreyH]

@pasala You type a lot. Copious paragraphs of garbled nonsense. Doesn't it get tiring?

Being a science enthusiast is not about finding the one thing that all the scientists overlooked and being a hero. It is about listening, learning and knowing when you are wrong.

If you actually applied your energies to learning, then you might actually understand some of the unsolved mysteries of science, instead of just making them up.

[G]

Total energy released by an atom bomb mainly depends on:
01  Internal energy
02  Gravity in a particular  place.
Suppose if we detonate the same atom bomb on Moon:
01  Internal energy is same.
02  Gravity is just 1/6th only

Since gravity is weak, curvature of space time by the closed volume is also weak. “eddies” into space time slows down and it spreads up to limited area only.

Suppose if the same atomic bomb is detonated in space, outside Earth’s climate: Here there is sufficient energy but it is not present with any force i.e., free state and thus even though there is inward as well outward thrust explosion is limited. 

We've been over this in a previous thread. Gravity has nothing to do with how powerful a nuclear reaction is.

Of course not , gravity is the weaker nuclear force emitted ,  the proton and electrons bond forming a convergence of opposites by the strong nuclear force ,  as a result creating a third  weaker convergence force , gravity .

[pasala (OP)]

@pasala You type a lot. Copious paragraphs of garbled nonsense. Doesn't it get tiring?

Being a science enthusiast is not about finding the one thing that all the scientists overlooked and being a hero. It is about listening, learning and knowing when you are wrong.

If you actually applied your energies to learning, then you might actually understand some of the unsolved mysteries of science, instead of just making them up.

It appears "Text books" are your vein, blood everything. 
Thanks for your advise.

[jeffreyH]

@pasala Think about it. You have nothing to lose. At the moment you are just opening yourself up to ridicule. You could be gaining knowledge and actually participating in a positive way. You may think the price is not worth paying. If that is the case you are wasting your time. You only get one life. Your choice.

[pasala (OP)]

“Gravitation is not an attractive force between masses, but a pressure force exerted by spacetime on closed volumes that tends to bring them closer to each other”.

“It is true that all elementary particles pushes their surroundings and produces convex curvature.  If we replace two or more closed volumes, pressure against them increases and the same was experimentally proved”.

When an atom is detonated, do this pressure force exerted by space time is absent.  It is true that nuclear force is strong and there is no doubt about that. 

 We are studying ‘Gravity’ and ‘nuclear force’ as two different subjects. 

It is true that each and every closed volume curves the spacetime. 

Basic thing is can we ignore this pressure force exerted by spacetime in nuclear explosion.

Here science is 'hero' and we are all players.
 
Yours
Psreddy

[G]

“Gravitation is not an attractive force between masses, but a pressure force exerted by spacetime on closed volumes that tends to bring them closer to each other”.

“It is true that all elementary particles pushes their surroundings and produces convex curvature.  If we replace two or more closed volumes, pressure against them increases and the same was experimentally proved”.

When an atom is detonated, do this pressure force exerted by space time is absent.  It is true that nuclear force is strong and there is no doubt about that. 

 We are studying ‘Gravity’ and ‘nuclear force’ as two different subjects. 

It is true that each and every closed volume curves the spacetime. 

Basic thing is can we ignore this pressure force exerted by spacetime in nuclear explosion.

Here science is 'hero' and we are all players.
 
Yours
Psreddy

You are incorrect , gravity is an attractive force between masses that have a greater density than the Higgs field mass .

The causality of gravity between masses being the weaker nuclear force that expands from the denser particle over an infinite distance , the Higgs field being the aether of propagation that has 0 permeability or opposing force to the weaker nuclear force field propagation , the reason is that it is likewise . In comparison , mixing water with water .

[Kryptid]

Of course not , gravity is the weaker nuclear force emitted ,  the proton and electrons bond forming a convergence of opposites by the strong nuclear force ,  as a result creating a third  weaker convergence force , gravity .

That's not how that works.

If we replace two or more closed volumes, pressure against them increases and the same was experimentally proved

By what experiment?

[G]

Of course not , gravity is the weaker nuclear force emitted ,  the proton and electrons bond forming a convergence of opposites by the strong nuclear force ,  as a result creating a third  weaker convergence force , gravity .

That's not how it works

You are incorrect ,  that is exactly how it works . Perhaps you are mistaking the gravity effect of large dense masses on the Higgs field i.e space time curvature and Newton gravity ?

[pasala (OP)]

Of course not , gravity is the weaker nuclear force emitted ,  the proton and electrons bond forming a convergence of opposites by the strong nuclear force ,  as a result creating a third  weaker convergence force , gravity .

That's not how that works.

If we replace two or more closed volumes, pressure against them increases and the same was experimentally proved

By what experiment?

Please try to acquire the knowledge of recent developments.

[pasala (OP)]

Ok, we will meet next week end. Bye

[Kryptid]

You are incorrect ,  that is exactly how it works .

Electrons don't even interact via the strong nuclear force. The bond between a proton and electron in an atom is mediated by the electromagnetic force. Also, mass is not correlated to either of the nuclear forces, so you can't say that gravity is somehow caused by the nuclear forces.

Please try to acquire the knowledge of recent developments.

You're going to need to be more specific than that. I can't read your mind.

[G]

You are incorrect ,  that is exactly how it works .

Electrons don't even interact via the strong nuclear force. The bond between a proton and electron in an atom is mediated by the electromagnetic force. Also, mass is not correlated to either of the nuclear forces, so you can't say that gravity is somehow caused by the nuclear forces.

According to who ?

You mean it doesn't mention this in any of the text books?

The universe is not an electrical universe , it is an atomic energy universe with atomic matter /particles  and atomic fields .

[Kryptid]

According to who ?

According to existing scientific evidence. Electrons are leptons, and as Britannica says, leptons "are not affected by the strong force" : https://www.britannica.com/science/lepton . Unlike protons and neutrons, they do not bind together because they do not have the strong nuclear force.

You mean it doesn't mention this in any of the text books?

Doesn't mention what? The stuff you made up? No, it doesn't.

The universe is not an electrical universe , it is an atomic energy universe with atomic matter /particles  and atomic fields .

It has all of those things. You're not denying the existing of electricity, are you?

[G]

According to who ?

According to existing scientific evidence. Electrons are leptons, and as Britannica says, leptons "are not affected by the strong force" : https://www.britannica.com/science/lepton [nofollow] . Unlike protons and neutrons, they do not bind together because they do not have the strong nuclear force.

You mean it doesn't mention this in any of the text books?

Doesn't mention what? The stuff you made up? No, it doesn't.

The universe is not an electrical universe , it is an atomic energy universe with atomic matter /particles  and atomic fields .

It has all of those things. You're not denying the existing of electricity, are you?

Electricity is a product , it is not something that exists fundamentally .

The strong nuclear force between protons and electrons  is the opposites of polarity .

An electron is not attracted to another electron and a proton is not attracted to another proton , the are relative massless and have no strong nuclear force in consideration of the relativity of likewise polarity .

The strong nuclear force only applies when two opposite polarity particles are involved .

However , when two opposite polarity particles  combine to form a stable particle , the convergence of the two individual , opposite polarity particles , forms a new combined force of the two individual forces ,a third force namely gravity .

Although the combining of an electron and a proton cancel out charge signs , that does not automatically mean that the attractive force is cancelled , it simply means the summation of attractive force is weakened .

[Kryptid]

Electricity is a product , it is not something that exists fundamentally .

The strong nuclear force between protons and electrons  is the opposites of polarity .

An electron is not attracted to another electron and a proton is not attracted to another proton , the are relative massless and have no strong nuclear force in consideration of the relativity of likewise polarity .

The strong nuclear force only applies when two opposite polarity particles are involved .

However , when two opposite polarity particles  combine to form a stable particle , the convergence of the two individual , opposite polarity particles , forms a new combined force of the two individual forces ,a third force namely gravity .

Although the combining of an electron and a proton cancel out charge signs , that does not automatically mean that the attractive force is cancelled , it simply means the summation of attractive force is weakened .

I'm starting to suspect that you are Thebox...